A Rising Thunder

[Drak Bibliophile]

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[Dahak]

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Post by Drak Bibliophile
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Thanks, Drak.

[Doug Jones]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:44:21 -0600, "Drak Bibliophile"

Post by Drak Bibliophile
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Thanks. Purchased and read.
Note: No spoilers follow:

Overall impression? This reads more as a series of vignettes
stitched together, than as a completed novel. Admitted, this is an
ARC, but it appears - at least in what I got - that there are some
missing chapters that would tie it all together. At least, I hope
that's the case.

[Don Sample]

Post by Doug Jones
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:44:21 -0600, "Drak Bibliophile"

Post by Drak Bibliophile
is available as an EARC at
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Thanks. Purchased and read.
Overall impression? This reads more as a series of vignettes
stitched together, than as a completed novel. Admitted, this is an
ARC, but it appears - at least in what I got - that there are some
missing chapters that would tie it all together. At least, I hope
that's the case.

It was about what I have come to expect from the later books in the
series. You're 1/3 of the way through it before you even get up to the
point where the last book ended, showing stuff going on elsewhere,
mostly involving characters we haven't seen before (and will probably
never see again.)

And it ends pretty much the same way as the previous one ended, with
another battle looming between the Manties (or one of their allies,
anyway) and the Solies. Will the Manties have their new Mycroft system
defence network set up in time to save them?

[Doug Jones]

Post by Don Sample

Post by Doug Jones
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:44:21 -0600, "Drak Bibliophile"

Post by Drak Bibliophile
is available as an EARC at
http://www.webscription.net/p-1554-a-rising-thunder-arc.aspx

Thanks. Purchased and read.
Overall impression? This reads more as a series of vignettes
stitched together, than as a completed novel. Admitted, this is an
ARC, but it appears - at least in what I got - that there are some
missing chapters that would tie it all together. At least, I hope
that's the case.

It was about what I have come to expect from the later books in the
series. You're 1/3 of the way through it before you even get up to the
point where the last book ended, showing stuff going on elsewhere,
mostly involving characters we haven't seen before (and will probably
never see again.)

True, but unlike previous works (Mission of Honor/Storm from the
Shadows) this one doesn't do just that. It skips around, and cuts
short scenes of the type that DW used to spend a great deal of time
on. I kept feeling that there was supposed to be a chapter or two
between some of the chapters, to bridge them instead of dropping us
from one to the other.

Post by Don Sample
And it ends pretty much the same way as the previous one ended, with
another battle looming between the Manties (or one of their allies,
anyway) and the Solies. Will the Manties have their new Mycroft system
defence network set up in time to save them?

LOL - we can guess the answer. ;-)

[Loren Pechtel]

Post by Don Sample
And it ends pretty much the same way as the previous one ended, with
another battle looming between the Manties (or one of their allies,
anyway) and the Solies. Will the Manties have their new Mycroft system
defence network set up in time to save them?

They don't need it. The same tactics they used at Spindle will still
work. Remember, the objective is to avoid the *APPEARANCE* of using
force--a bunch of pods in space 10 million miles out won't look like
force--few would even know they're there. The control ships can be
even farther out.

Also, is the terminus within the hyper limit? If not, the terminus
force simply jumps to behind the Sollies and lets them have it.

[Drak Bibliophile]

Post by Loren Pechtel

Post by Don Sample
And it ends pretty much the same way as the previous one ended, with
another battle looming between the Manties (or one of their allies,
anyway) and the Solies. Will the Manties have their new Mycroft system
defence network set up in time to save them?

They don't need it. The same tactics they used at Spindle will still
work. Remember, the objective is to avoid the *APPEARANCE* of using
force--a bunch of pods in space 10 million miles out won't look like
force--few would even know they're there. The control ships can be
even farther out.
Also, is the terminus within the hyper limit? If not, the terminus
force simply jumps to behind the Sollies and lets them have it.

The terminus is outside the hyper limit and the Manticore fleet could
"micro-jump" into their missile range of the SLN force.

[Loren Pechtel]

On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 22:12:46 -0600, "Drak Bibliophile"

Post by Drak Bibliophile

Post by Loren Pechtel

Post by Don Sample
And it ends pretty much the same way as the previous one ended, with
another battle looming between the Manties (or one of their allies,
anyway) and the Solies. Will the Manties have their new Mycroft system
defence network set up in time to save them?

They don't need it. The same tactics they used at Spindle will still
work. Remember, the objective is to avoid the *APPEARANCE* of using
force--a bunch of pods in space 10 million miles out won't look like
force--few would even know they're there. The control ships can be
even farther out.
Also, is the terminus within the hyper limit? If not, the terminus
force simply jumps to behind the Sollies and lets them have it.

The terminus is outside the hyper limit and the Manticore fleet could
"micro-jump" into their missile range of the SLN force.

Then why are the Sollies even thinking of such an attack?

Or is this another Mesan suicide mission?

[Drak Bibliophile]

Post by Loren Pechtel
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 22:12:46 -0600, "Drak Bibliophile"

Post by Drak Bibliophile

Post by Loren Pechtel

Post by Don Sample
And it ends pretty much the same way as the previous one ended, with
another battle looming between the Manties (or one of their allies,
anyway) and the Solies. Will the Manties have their new Mycroft system
defence network set up in time to save them?

They don't need it. The same tactics they used at Spindle will still
work. Remember, the objective is to avoid the *APPEARANCE* of using
force--a bunch of pods in space 10 million miles out won't look like
force--few would even know they're there. The control ships can be
even farther out.
Also, is the terminus within the hyper limit? If not, the terminus
force simply jumps to behind the Sollies and lets them have it.

The terminus is outside the hyper limit and the Manticore fleet could
"micro-jump" into their missile range of the SLN force.

Then why are the Sollies even thinking of such an attack?
Or is this another Mesan suicide mission?

Likely, they still don't believe in all the reports about Mantie missile
range and/or the Manties haven't shown them just how great Mantie missile
range is.

Also, they may be judging Mantie reaction time by SLN reaction time.

That is a SLN fleet would not had the time to reach the best firing position
(assuming Mantie missile range) but the Manticorian fleet would be able to
reach the best firing position.

We've already seen that the SLN takes longer to prepare for an action than
the Manticorians or Havenites would.

[Loren Pechtel]

On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 17:51:12 -0600, "Drak Bibliophile"

Post by Drak Bibliophile

Post by Loren Pechtel
Then why are the Sollies even thinking of such an attack?
Or is this another Mesan suicide mission?

Likely, they still don't believe in all the reports about Mantie missile
range and/or the Manties haven't shown them just how great Mantie missile
range is.
Also, they may be judging Mantie reaction time by SLN reaction time.
That is a SLN fleet would not had the time to reach the best firing position
(assuming Mantie missile range) but the Manticorian fleet would be able to
reach the best firing position.
We've already seen that the SLN takes longer to prepare for an action than
the Manticorians or Havenites would.

The SLN might not be able to reach firing position for SLN missiles
but they know what a two-stage Manty missile is like (or they think
they do, at least) and they can't reasonably hope to get far enough
inside the hyper limit to get away from them before a Manty alert
force can react.

At 500g it takes almost an hour to get away from the Manty missile--do
they really think an alert force can't microjump and shoot in that
period of time??? Or do they think the Manties wouldn't maintain an
alert force???

If the missiles actually fly it's even more advantageous to the
Manties as they can have a few colliers lying doggo between Beowulf
and the hyper limit. When the Sollies arrive they dump their pods and
haul ass away. This still doesn't expose any new tech to the Sollies.

If the Sollies don't come in on the direct path to avoid any ambush
laid in their path they have a longer route in normal space but the
Manties aren't thus restricted--they can always take the shortest path
and get in front of them.

[Drak Bibliophile]

Post by Loren Pechtel
On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 17:51:12 -0600, "Drak Bibliophile"

Post by Drak Bibliophile

Post by Loren Pechtel
Then why are the Sollies even thinking of such an attack?
Or is this another Mesan suicide mission?

Likely, they still don't believe in all the reports about Mantie missile
range and/or the Manties haven't shown them just how great Mantie missile
range is.
Also, they may be judging Mantie reaction time by SLN reaction time.
That is a SLN fleet would not had the time to reach the best firing position
(assuming Mantie missile range) but the Manticorian fleet would be able to
reach the best firing position.
We've already seen that the SLN takes longer to prepare for an action than
the Manticorians or Havenites would.

The SLN might not be able to reach firing position for SLN missiles
but they know what a two-stage Manty missile is like (or they think
they do, at least) and they can't reasonably hope to get far enough
inside the hyper limit to get away from them before a Manty alert
force can react.
At 500g it takes almost an hour to get away from the Manty missile--do
they really think an alert force can't microjump and shoot in that
period of time??? Or do they think the Manties wouldn't maintain an
alert force???
If the missiles actually fly it's even more advantageous to the
Manties as they can have a few colliers lying doggo between Beowulf
and the hyper limit. When the Sollies arrive they dump their pods and
haul ass away. This still doesn't expose any new tech to the Sollies.
If the Sollies don't come in on the direct path to avoid any ambush
laid in their path they have a longer route in normal space but the
Manties aren't thus restricted--they can always take the shortest path
and get in front of them.

IIRC Manticore has been careful to not let people they're fighting know the
full limits of their weaponry.

[Loren Pechtel]

On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 23:11:06 -0600, "Drak Bibliophile"

Post by Drak Bibliophile

Post by Loren Pechtel
On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 17:51:12 -0600, "Drak Bibliophile"

Post by Drak Bibliophile

Post by Loren Pechtel
Then why are the Sollies even thinking of such an attack?
Or is this another Mesan suicide mission?

Likely, they still don't believe in all the reports about Mantie missile
range and/or the Manties haven't shown them just how great Mantie missile
range is.
Also, they may be judging Mantie reaction time by SLN reaction time.
That is a SLN fleet would not had the time to reach the best firing position
(assuming Mantie missile range) but the Manticorian fleet would be able to
reach the best firing position.
We've already seen that the SLN takes longer to prepare for an action than
the Manticorians or Havenites would.

The SLN might not be able to reach firing position for SLN missiles
but they know what a two-stage Manty missile is like (or they think
they do, at least) and they can't reasonably hope to get far enough
inside the hyper limit to get away from them before a Manty alert
force can react.
At 500g it takes almost an hour to get away from the Manty missile--do
they really think an alert force can't microjump and shoot in that
period of time??? Or do they think the Manties wouldn't maintain an
alert force???
If the missiles actually fly it's even more advantageous to the
Manties as they can have a few colliers lying doggo between Beowulf
and the hyper limit. When the Sollies arrive they dump their pods and
haul ass away. This still doesn't expose any new tech to the Sollies.
If the Sollies don't come in on the direct path to avoid any ambush
laid in their path they have a longer route in normal space but the
Manties aren't thus restricted--they can always take the shortest path
and get in front of them.

IIRC Manticore has been careful to not let people they're fighting know the
full limits of their weaponry.

I'm only supposing the tech they've already shown or what Technodyne
has already shown. (The Sollies haven't knowingly seen Manty colliers
drop pods which are then fired by other ships. However, the Sollies
used something similar in the battle of Monica, I don't see that it's
something they need to hide.)

[Drak Bibliophile]

Post by Loren Pechtel
On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 23:11:06 -0600, "Drak Bibliophile"

Post by Drak Bibliophile

Post by Loren Pechtel
On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 17:51:12 -0600, "Drak Bibliophile"

Post by Drak Bibliophile

Post by Loren Pechtel
Then why are the Sollies even thinking of such an attack?
Or is this another Mesan suicide mission?

Likely, they still don't believe in all the reports about Mantie missile
range and/or the Manties haven't shown them just how great Mantie missile
range is.
Also, they may be judging Mantie reaction time by SLN reaction time.
That is a SLN fleet would not had the time to reach the best firing position
(assuming Mantie missile range) but the Manticorian fleet would be able to
reach the best firing position.
We've already seen that the SLN takes longer to prepare for an action than
the Manticorians or Havenites would.

The SLN might not be able to reach firing position for SLN missiles
but they know what a two-stage Manty missile is like (or they think
they do, at least) and they can't reasonably hope to get far enough
inside the hyper limit to get away from them before a Manty alert
force can react.
At 500g it takes almost an hour to get away from the Manty missile--do
they really think an alert force can't microjump and shoot in that
period of time??? Or do they think the Manties wouldn't maintain an
alert force???
If the missiles actually fly it's even more advantageous to the
Manties as they can have a few colliers lying doggo between Beowulf
and the hyper limit. When the Sollies arrive they dump their pods and
haul ass away. This still doesn't expose any new tech to the Sollies.
If the Sollies don't come in on the direct path to avoid any ambush
laid in their path they have a longer route in normal space but the
Manties aren't thus restricted--they can always take the shortest path
and get in front of them.

IIRC Manticore has been careful to not let people they're fighting know the
full limits of their weaponry.

I'm only supposing the tech they've already shown or what Technodyne
has already shown. (The Sollies haven't knowingly seen Manty colliers
drop pods which are then fired by other ships. However, the Sollies
used something similar in the battle of Monica, I don't see that it's
something they need to hide.)

If you think your opponent's range is twice as great as yours but your
opponent's range is four times as great as yours, then you're in "Big
Trouble". [Wink]

[Louann Miller]

Post by Drak Bibliophile
If you think your opponent's range is twice as great as yours but your
opponent's range is four times as great as yours, then you're in "Big
Trouble". [Wink]

Not that your day is bright and shiny if your opponent's range is 4x and
you DO know it...

[Drak Bibliophile]

Post by Louann Miller

Post by Drak Bibliophile
If you think your opponent's range is twice as great as yours but your
opponent's range is four times as great as yours, then you're in "Big
Trouble". [Wink]

Not that your day is bright and shiny if your opponent's range is 4x and
you DO know it...

True, but if the SLN knew that the Manties could kill them from the
hyperlimit, then the SLN wouldn't try this fool stunt.

[Loren Pechtel]

On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:15:23 -0600, "Drak Bibliophile"

Post by Drak Bibliophile

Post by Loren Pechtel
On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 23:11:06 -0600, "Drak Bibliophile"

Post by Drak Bibliophile

Post by Loren Pechtel
On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 17:51:12 -0600, "Drak Bibliophile"

Post by Drak Bibliophile

Post by Loren Pechtel
Then why are the Sollies even thinking of such an attack?
Or is this another Mesan suicide mission?

Likely, they still don't believe in all the reports about Mantie missile
range and/or the Manties haven't shown them just how great Mantie missile
range is.
Also, they may be judging Mantie reaction time by SLN reaction time.
That is a SLN fleet would not had the time to reach the best firing position
(assuming Mantie missile range) but the Manticorian fleet would be able to
reach the best firing position.
We've already seen that the SLN takes longer to prepare for an action than
the Manticorians or Havenites would.

The SLN might not be able to reach firing position for SLN missiles
but they know what a two-stage Manty missile is like (or they think
they do, at least) and they can't reasonably hope to get far enough
inside the hyper limit to get away from them before a Manty alert
force can react.
At 500g it takes almost an hour to get away from the Manty missile--do
they really think an alert force can't microjump and shoot in that
period of time??? Or do they think the Manties wouldn't maintain an
alert force???
If the missiles actually fly it's even more advantageous to the
Manties as they can have a few colliers lying doggo between Beowulf
and the hyper limit. When the Sollies arrive they dump their pods and
haul ass away. This still doesn't expose any new tech to the Sollies.
If the Sollies don't come in on the direct path to avoid any ambush
laid in their path they have a longer route in normal space but the
Manties aren't thus restricted--they can always take the shortest path
and get in front of them.

IIRC Manticore has been careful to not let people they're fighting know the
full limits of their weaponry.

I'm only supposing the tech they've already shown or what Technodyne
has already shown. (The Sollies haven't knowingly seen Manty colliers
drop pods which are then fired by other ships. However, the Sollies
used something similar in the battle of Monica, I don't see that it's
something they need to hide.)

If you think your opponent's range is twice as great as yours but your
opponent's range is four times as great as yours, then you're in "Big
Trouble". [Wink]

Sure, but I'm talking about stopping an attack on Beowulf without
revealing anything the Sollies don't already know they have.

[Drak Bibliophile]

Post by Loren Pechtel
On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:15:23 -0600, "Drak Bibliophile"

Post by Drak Bibliophile

Post by Loren Pechtel
On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 23:11:06 -0600, "Drak Bibliophile"

Post by Drak Bibliophile

Post by Loren Pechtel
On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 17:51:12 -0600, "Drak Bibliophile"

Post by Drak Bibliophile

Post by Loren Pechtel
Then why are the Sollies even thinking of such an attack?
Or is this another Mesan suicide mission?

Likely, they still don't believe in all the reports about Mantie missile
range and/or the Manties haven't shown them just how great Mantie missile
range is.
Also, they may be judging Mantie reaction time by SLN reaction time.
That is a SLN fleet would not had the time to reach the best firing position
(assuming Mantie missile range) but the Manticorian fleet would be
able
to
reach the best firing position.
We've already seen that the SLN takes longer to prepare for an action than
the Manticorians or Havenites would.

The SLN might not be able to reach firing position for SLN missiles
but they know what a two-stage Manty missile is like (or they think
they do, at least) and they can't reasonably hope to get far enough
inside the hyper limit to get away from them before a Manty alert
force can react.
At 500g it takes almost an hour to get away from the Manty missile--do
they really think an alert force can't microjump and shoot in that
period of time??? Or do they think the Manties wouldn't maintain an
alert force???
If the missiles actually fly it's even more advantageous to the
Manties as they can have a few colliers lying doggo between Beowulf
and the hyper limit. When the Sollies arrive they dump their pods and
haul ass away. This still doesn't expose any new tech to the Sollies.
If the Sollies don't come in on the direct path to avoid any ambush
laid in their path they have a longer route in normal space but the
Manties aren't thus restricted--they can always take the shortest path
and get in front of them.

IIRC Manticore has been careful to not let people they're fighting know the
full limits of their weaponry.

I'm only supposing the tech they've already shown or what Technodyne
has already shown. (The Sollies haven't knowingly seen Manty colliers
drop pods which are then fired by other ships. However, the Sollies
used something similar in the battle of Monica, I don't see that it's
something they need to hide.)

If you think your opponent's range is twice as great as yours but your
opponent's range is four times as great as yours, then you're in "Big
Trouble". [Wink]

Sure, but I'm talking about stopping an attack on Beowulf without
revealing anything the Sollies don't already know they have.

True, the Sollies know about much of what Manticore has but they may be
planning the Beowulf operation not knowing the extent of what Manticore can
do.

Mind you, IMO the SL Mandarins are doing plenty of stupid things even with
some-what accurate info mostly because they're not concerned about the Good
of the SL. They're only concerned about their power within the SL.

IMO the Beowulf operation is stupid more because of the internal political
problems that would result even if the operation was a "success" than
because of what would happen to their fleet.

Even those member systems current "supporting" the Mandarins may start to
wonder how soon will the Mandarins start interferring in their internal
affairs.

Up to this time, the Solarian League hasn't interferred into the internal
affairs of the Core member systems.

Preventing Beowulfians from "voting" on withdrawing from the SL could be the
"final blow" to the Mandarins power.

IMO their cover story won't work even if Manticore doesn't stop the SL
fleet.

[Loren Pechtel]

On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 16:22:53 -0600, "Drak Bibliophile"

Post by Drak Bibliophile

Post by Loren Pechtel
Sure, but I'm talking about stopping an attack on Beowulf without
revealing anything the Sollies don't already know they have.

True, the Sollies know about much of what Manticore has but they may be
planning the Beowulf operation not knowing the extent of what Manticore can
do.

But they shouldn't plan an operation that would be defeated by what
they know of Manty tech.

Post by Drak Bibliophile
Mind you, IMO the SL Mandarins are doing plenty of stupid things even with
some-what accurate info mostly because they're not concerned about the Good
of the SL. They're only concerned about their power within the SL.

But planning an operation that will fail is not good for them.

Post by Drak Bibliophile
IMO the Beowulf operation is stupid more because of the internal political
problems that would result even if the operation was a "success" than
because of what would happen to their fleet.

They're only looking at the short term issue of trying to keep the
league from disintigrating.

Post by Drak Bibliophile
Even those member systems current "supporting" the Mandarins may start to
wonder how soon will the Mandarins start interferring in their internal
affairs.

And they want them too scared to try to do anything about it.

Post by Drak Bibliophile
Up to this time, the Solarian League hasn't interferred into the internal
affairs of the Core member systems.
Preventing Beowulfians from "voting" on withdrawing from the SL could be the
"final blow" to the Mandarins power.

In the short term it could.

Post by Drak Bibliophile
IMO their cover story won't work even if Manticore doesn't stop the SL
fleet.

I think you're overestimating the average Sollie.

[Drak Bibliophile]

Post by Loren Pechtel
On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 16:22:53 -0600, "Drak Bibliophile"

Post by Drak Bibliophile

Post by Loren Pechtel
Sure, but I'm talking about stopping an attack on Beowulf without
revealing anything the Sollies don't already know they have.

True, the Sollies know about much of what Manticore has but they may be
planning the Beowulf operation not knowing the extent of what Manticore can
do.

But they shouldn't plan an operation that would be defeated by what
they know of Manty tech.

Post by Drak Bibliophile
Mind you, IMO the SL Mandarins are doing plenty of stupid things even with
some-what accurate info mostly because they're not concerned about the Good
of the SL. They're only concerned about their power within the SL.

But planning an operation that will fail is not good for them.

Post by Drak Bibliophile
IMO the Beowulf operation is stupid more because of the internal political
problems that would result even if the operation was a "success" than
because of what would happen to their fleet.

They're only looking at the short term issue of trying to keep the
league from disintigrating.

Post by Drak Bibliophile
Even those member systems current "supporting" the Mandarins may start to
wonder how soon will the Mandarins start interferring in their internal
affairs.

And they want them too scared to try to do anything about it.

Post by Drak Bibliophile
Up to this time, the Solarian League hasn't interferred into the internal
affairs of the Core member systems.
Preventing Beowulfians from "voting" on withdrawing from the SL could be the
"final blow" to the Mandarins power.

In the short term it could.

Post by Drak Bibliophile
IMO their cover story won't work even if Manticore doesn't stop the SL
fleet.

I think you're overestimating the average Sollie.

Perhaps, but we'll see. [Smile]

[Terry FitzSimons]

Post by Loren Pechtel
On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 23:11:06 -0600, "Drak Bibliophile"

Post by Drak Bibliophile

Post by Loren Pechtel
On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 17:51:12 -0600, "Drak Bibliophile"
The SLN might not be able to reach firing position for SLN missiles
but they know what a two-stage Manty missile is like (or they think
they do, at least) and they can't reasonably hope to get far enough
inside the hyper limit to get away from them before a Manty alert
force can react.
At 500g it takes almost an hour to get away from the Manty missile--do
they really think an alert force can't microjump and shoot in that
period of time??? Or do they think the Manties wouldn't maintain an
alert force???
If the missiles actually fly it's even more advantageous to the
Manties as they can have a few colliers lying doggo between Beowulf
and the hyper limit. When the Sollies arrive they dump their pods and
haul ass away. This still doesn't expose any new tech to the Sollies.
If the Sollies don't come in on the direct path to avoid any ambush
laid in their path they have a longer route in normal space but the
Manties aren't thus restricted--they can always take the shortest path
and get in front of them.

IIRC Manticore has been careful to not let people they're fighting know the
full limits of their weaponry.

I'm only supposing the tech they've already shown or what Technodyne
has already shown. (The Sollies haven't knowingly seen Manty colliers
drop pods which are then fired by other ships. However, the Sollies
used something similar in the battle of Monica, I don't see that it's
something they need to hide.)

It wasn't something that the Battle Fleet used and if I remember correctly, its
something that the Governor is trying to keep the Officials over him from
noticing that he has them, as well as other more capable ships (than Battle
Fleet) being constructed.
--

Terry FitzSimons
***@mintel.net

[Loren Pechtel]

On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 20:05:42 -0500, Terry FitzSimons

Post by Terry FitzSimons

Post by Loren Pechtel
I'm only supposing the tech they've already shown or what Technodyne
has already shown. (The Sollies haven't knowingly seen Manty colliers
drop pods which are then fired by other ships. However, the Sollies
used something similar in the battle of Monica, I don't see that it's
something they need to hide.)

It wasn't something that the Battle Fleet used and if I remember correctly, its
something that the Governor is trying to keep the Officials over him from
noticing that he has them, as well as other more capable ships (than Battle
Fleet) being constructed.

Wasn't it from Technodyne, though? I don't think it's hidden from
Battle Fleet now.

[Don Sample]

Post by Loren Pechtel

Post by Don Sample
And it ends pretty much the same way as the previous one ended, with
another battle looming between the Manties (or one of their allies,
anyway) and the Solies. Will the Manties have their new Mycroft system
defence network set up in time to save them?

They don't need it. The same tactics they used at Spindle will still
work. Remember, the objective is to avoid the *APPEARANCE* of using
force--a bunch of pods in space 10 million miles out won't look like
force--few would even know they're there. The control ships can be
even farther out.
Also, is the terminus within the hyper limit? If not, the terminus
force simply jumps to behind the Sollies and lets them have it.

But the Manties really can't be seen participating in the fight. It has
to be a Beowulfan force, under Boewulfan command that defeats the Solies.

Otherwise the Solies are just going to claim that the Manties invaded
Beowulfan (and therefore Solie) space, and forced the results of the
succession vote with threats.

[Loren Pechtel]

Post by Don Sample

Post by Loren Pechtel

Post by Don Sample
And it ends pretty much the same way as the previous one ended, with
another battle looming between the Manties (or one of their allies,
anyway) and the Solies. Will the Manties have their new Mycroft system
defence network set up in time to save them?

They don't need it. The same tactics they used at Spindle will still
work. Remember, the objective is to avoid the *APPEARANCE* of using
force--a bunch of pods in space 10 million miles out won't look like
force--few would even know they're there. The control ships can be
even farther out.
Also, is the terminus within the hyper limit? If not, the terminus
force simply jumps to behind the Sollies and lets them have it.

But the Manties really can't be seen participating in the fight. It has
to be a Beowulfan force, under Boewulfan command that defeats the Solies.
Otherwise the Solies are just going to claim that the Manties invaded
Beowulfan (and therefore Solie) space, and forced the results of the
succession vote with threats.

I disagree. We already know that Beowulf and the Manties are
friendly, for the Manties to defend Beowulf against the Sollies makes
sense and doesn't prove that they are only joining under the gun.

[Don Sample]

Post by Loren Pechtel

Post by Don Sample

Post by Loren Pechtel

Post by Don Sample
And it ends pretty much the same way as the previous one ended, with
another battle looming between the Manties (or one of their allies,
anyway) and the Solies. Will the Manties have their new Mycroft system
defence network set up in time to save them?

They don't need it. The same tactics they used at Spindle will still
work. Remember, the objective is to avoid the *APPEARANCE* of using
force--a bunch of pods in space 10 million miles out won't look like
force--few would even know they're there. The control ships can be
even farther out.
Also, is the terminus within the hyper limit? If not, the terminus
force simply jumps to behind the Sollies and lets them have it.

But the Manties really can't be seen participating in the fight. It has
to be a Beowulfan force, under Boewulfan command that defeats the Solies.
Otherwise the Solies are just going to claim that the Manties invaded
Beowulfan (and therefore Solie) space, and forced the results of the
succession vote with threats.

I disagree. We already know that Beowulf and the Manties are
friendly, for the Manties to defend Beowulf against the Sollies makes
sense and doesn't prove that they are only joining under the gun.

What it proves, ore doesn't prove, is irrelevant. It's how the Solies
will spin the story for public consumption.