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A Mighty Fortress [very minor spoiler]
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Loren Pechtel
2010-05-14 04:20:21 UTC
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Merlin treated them with nanotech to keep them from ever getting sick.

Other than cancer and immune problems why does *ANYONE* on Safehold
get sick??? Why did they bring any diseases along with them in the
first place??
Michelle Steiner
2010-05-14 05:21:01 UTC
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Other than cancer and immune problems why does *ANYONE* on Safehold get
sick??? Why did they bring any diseases along with them in the first
place??
Um, because they're susceptible to native germs?
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Benjamin
2010-05-14 14:04:53 UTC
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Post by Michelle Steiner
Other than cancer and immune problems why does *ANYONE* on Safehold get
sick??? Why did they bring any diseases along with them in the first
place??
Um, because they're susceptible to native germs?
I am reading A Mighty Fortress. Langhorne, Bedard, and Shan-wei
probably brought the diseases with them in their bodies because they
were immune via their nanotech. Why did Columbus bring smallpox to the
Indians? (Not in the form of blankets; that was much later) Because
even with immunity to a disease, you can infect others who aren't
immune. It's like coughing in a room with the Bubble Boy. He is going
to get sick from you coughing even if you are not sick.
Loren Pechtel
2010-05-15 03:10:30 UTC
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Post by Michelle Steiner
Other than cancer and immune problems why does *ANYONE* on Safehold get
sick??? Why did they bring any diseases along with them in the first
place??
Um, because they're susceptible to native germs?
I am reading A Mighty Fortress. Langhorne, Bedard, and Shan-wei
probably brought the diseases with them in their bodies because they
were immune via their nanotech. Why did Columbus bring smallpox to the
Indians? (Not in the form of blankets; that was much later) Because
even with immunity to a disease, you can infect others who aren't
immune. It's like coughing in a room with the Bubble Boy. He is going
to get sick from you coughing even if you are not sick.
You aren't going to be a carrier if the nanotech is killing it off. No
infectious disease the nanotech can kill should have made it to
Safehold in the first place.
Loren Pechtel
2010-05-15 03:10:30 UTC
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On Thu, 13 May 2010 22:21:01 -0700, Michelle Steiner
Post by Michelle Steiner
Other than cancer and immune problems why does *ANYONE* on Safehold get
sick??? Why did they bring any diseases along with them in the first
place??
Um, because they're susceptible to native germs?
I find that hard to believe.
Michelle Steiner
2010-05-15 04:23:16 UTC
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Post by Loren Pechtel
Other than cancer and immune problems why does *ANYONE* on Safehold
get sick??? Why did they bring any diseases along with them in the
first place??
Um, because they're susceptible to native germs?
I find that hard to believe.
Why? Can't they eat native plants and animals?
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Loren Pechtel
2010-05-15 18:37:53 UTC
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On Fri, 14 May 2010 21:23:16 -0700, Michelle Steiner
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Post by Michelle Steiner
Post by Loren Pechtel
Other than cancer and immune problems why does *ANYONE* on Safehold
get sick??? Why did they bring any diseases along with them in the
first place??
Um, because they're susceptible to native germs?
I find that hard to believe.
Why? Can't they eat native plants and animals?
Because infection generally requires a very specific vulnerability.
Dave Van Domelen
2010-05-15 19:14:13 UTC
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Post by Loren Pechtel
On Fri, 14 May 2010 21:23:16 -0700, Michelle Steiner
Post by Michelle Steiner
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Post by Michelle Steiner
Post by Loren Pechtel
Other than cancer and immune problems why does *ANYONE* on Safehold
get sick??? Why did they bring any diseases along with them in the
first place??
Um, because they're susceptible to native germs?
I find that hard to believe.
Why? Can't they eat native plants and animals?
Because infection generally requires a very specific vulnerability.
800 years is a long time in micro-organism generations. If proteins are
similar enough for human to eat the local animals without needing supplements
(see the Marduk "March to..." books for examples of NOT being similar
enough), I can see the local virii eventually mutating to take advantage of
the new potential hosts. Additionally, benign virii that came with the
humans could also have mutated (i.e. e.Coli strains).

Dave Van Domelen, hasn't gotten far enough in the book yet to tell if
any specific details are quibblesome.
Loren Pechtel
2010-05-16 01:52:42 UTC
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On Fri, 14 May 2010 21:23:16 -0700, Michelle Steiner
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Post by Loren Pechtel
Other than cancer and immune problems why does *ANYONE* on Safehold
get sick??? Why did they bring any diseases along with them in the
first place??
Um, because they're susceptible to native germs?
I find that hard to believe.
Why? Can't they eat native plants and animals?
Because infection generally requires a very specific vulnerability.
800 years is a long time in micro-organism generations. If proteins are
similar enough for human to eat the local animals without needing supplements
(see the Marduk "March to..." books for examples of NOT being similar
enough), I can see the local virii eventually mutating to take advantage of
the new potential hosts. Additionally, benign virii that came with the
humans could also have mutated (i.e. e.Coli strains).
Local stuff isn't going to mutate that fast.

I do agree benign stuff could possibly turn hostile but that's
unlikely--there's no drive to be hostile. The evolutionary pressure
on pathogens is to be benign. The deadly stuff is generally fairly
recent species jumps.
r***@gmail.com
2010-05-19 18:00:12 UTC
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Post by Loren Pechtel
Local stuff isn't going to mutate that fast.
I do agree benign stuff could possibly turn hostile but that's
unlikely--there's no drive to be hostile.  The evolutionary pressure
on pathogens is to be benign.  The deadly stuff is generally fairly
recent species jumps.
How many times have you had a cold, or caught the flu?

When I attended university, there were enough students from elsewhere
cycling in every semester that there was a new set of cold viri every
four months and most students were mildly ill.

Why should the local stuff mutate slower than stuff on earth?
Loren Pechtel
2010-05-19 23:24:31 UTC
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Local stuff isn't going to mutate that fast.
I do agree benign stuff could possibly turn hostile but that's
unlikely--there's no drive to be hostile.  The evolutionary pressure
on pathogens is to be benign.  The deadly stuff is generally fairly
recent species jumps.
How many times have you had a cold, or caught the flu?
When I attended university, there were enough students from elsewhere
cycling in every semester that there was a new set of cold viri every
four months and most students were mildly ill.
Why should the local stuff mutate slower than stuff on earth?
1) The world's population is enough to provide a pool for cold
viruses. It doesn't take new ones, the same pool of a few hundred
goes around. That's why you get fewer and fewer colds as you grow
older--infection grants immunity. (And that's why they can't come up
with a vaccine for the common cold--it's not *ONE* disease but a few
hundred.)

2) Flu is a better example of mutation--but even then it's still flu
viruses. It's not a totally alien virus changing to infect humans. To
jump from a totally alien ecosystem is much harder.

Michelle Steiner
2010-05-15 19:43:28 UTC
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Post by Loren Pechtel
Other than cancer and immune problems why does *ANYONE* on
Safehold get sick??? Why did they bring any diseases along with
them in the first place??
Um, because they're susceptible to native germs?
I find that hard to believe.
Why? Can't they eat native plants and animals?
Because infection generally requires a very specific vulnerability.
The bacteria and virii can mutate to be able to attack humans; after all
it's been hundreds of years.
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