Honor Harrington Could Become A Reality

[Quadibloc]

This news item

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-mouse-that-shook-the-world-744870.html

made me think of her enhanced abilities. Or, of course, those of Khan
Noonian Singh.

John Savard

[PeterM]

Post by Quadibloc
This news item
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-mouse-that-shook-the-wo...
made me think of her enhanced abilities. Or, of course, those of Khan
Noonian Singh.

Khan, I think. Or a not-quite failed attempt to recreate
Captain America's Super Soldier Serum. Eating twice
as much, being half the size and "very aggressive"
definitely makes it sound like a cut-rate SSS to me.

I did like this bit:

******
Professor Hanson said: "We humans have exactly the same
gene. But this is not something that you'd do to a human.
It's completely wrong. We do not think that this mouse model
is an appropriate model for human gene therapy. It is currently
not possible to introduce genes into the skeletal muscles of
humans and it would not be ethical to even try."
******

Sounds very much like "Holy crap, what the hell have
we discovered?" to me, with a side order of "Good God,
people are going to go apeshit when they hear about this."

[Quadibloc]

Post by PeterM
Sounds very much like "Holy crap, what the hell have
we discovered?" to me, with a side order of "Good God,
people are going to go apeshit when they hear about this."

That article links to another in that newspaper, an opinion piece from
a citizens' group concerned about genetic tampering, wherein where
told there's no justification for letting scientists indulge their
idle curiosity in this way.

I think that research should press forward, because the more we know,
the more we can do. Eventually, we will know enough to promote better
fitness and stem the problem of obesity, how to extend the human
lifespan, help people with various illnesses and disabilities, and on
and on. Progress has been good to humanity, and we desperately need
more of it.

John Savard

[Sjouke Burry]

Post by Quadibloc

Post by PeterM
Sounds very much like "Holy crap, what the hell have
we discovered?" to me, with a side order of "Good God,
people are going to go apeshit when they hear about this."

That article links to another in that newspaper, an opinion piece from
a citizens' group concerned about genetic tampering, wherein where
told there's no justification for letting scientists indulge their
idle curiosity in this way.
I think that research should press forward, because the more we know,
the more we can do. Eventually, we will know enough to promote better
fitness and stem the problem of obesity, how to extend the human
lifespan, help people with various illnesses and disabilities, and on
and on. Progress has been good to humanity, and we desperately need
more of it.
John Savard

Being a bit optimistic?
It is more around fifty-fifty or so.
Like the Botox invention.
Like escalating beauty-operations.
Like hideously expensive medicines or treatments unobtainable
for the lower 98 percent of the population.
I fear that research will mostly be where the money is.
Just to apply some counter exsamples.

[Abrigon Gusiq]

Anyone done a book or study on super-soldiers and like, and drug
abuse? Be it natural or artificial?

Steroids to Methamphetimines?

Be it the SS use of speed/meth to US military use to maintain focus,
to Moro tribe members on some root, to the Hash eaters aka Assassins?

Mike
Alaska

Post by Quadibloc

Post by PeterM
Sounds very much like "Holy crap, what the hell have
we discovered?" to me, with a side order of "Good God,
people are going to go apeshit when they hear about this."

That article links to another in that newspaper, an opinion piece from
a citizens' group concerned about genetic tampering, wherein where
told there's no justification for letting scientists indulge their
idle curiosity in this way.
I think that research should press forward, because the more we know,
the more we can do. Eventually, we will know enough to promote better
fitness and stem the problem of obesity, how to extend the human
lifespan, help people with various illnesses and disabilities, and on
and on. Progress has been good to humanity, and we desperately need
more of it.
John Savard

[Aahz Maruch]

Post by Quadibloc
I think that research should press forward, because the more we know,
the more we can do. Eventually, we will know enough to promote better
fitness and stem the problem of obesity, how to extend the human
lifespan, help people with various illnesses and disabilities, and on
and on. Progress has been good to humanity, and we desperately need
more of it.

What problem of obesity?

[William December Starr]

Post by PeterM
******
Professor Hanson said: "We humans have exactly the same
gene. But this is not something that you'd do to a human.
It's completely wrong. We do not think that this mouse model
is an appropriate model for human gene therapy. It is currently
not possible to introduce genes into the skeletal muscles of
humans and it would not be ethical to even try."
******
Sounds very much like "Holy crap, what the hell have
we discovered?" to me, with a side order of "Good God,
people are going to go apeshit when they hear about this."

I'd say that the side order is the dominant factor. He speaks
like a man who's _desperately_ trying not to end up with a front
lawn full of peasants with torches and pitchforks.

-- wds

[Adamastor Glace Mortimer]

Post by Quadibloc
This news item
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-mouse-that-shook-the-world-744870.html
made me think of her enhanced abilities. Or, of course, those of Khan
Noonian Singh.

I've already got super mice arunning around here. Can't get rid of the damned things!

The ones around here have learned how to steal bait from traps. They can also set off the traps and not get caught, then rush in and grab the bait. Maybe the ones I have to contend with are more intellectually gifted than built for physical endurance. Maybe those mice have their own scientists who have loftier goals than getting them to run far and fast and avoid obesity.

Why can't those scientists work on building a better mouse trap, dammit!?


Adamastor Glace Mortimer <***@no.invalid>

[Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)]

Post by Adamastor Glace Mortimer

Post by Quadibloc
This news item
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-mouse-that-shook-the-world-744870.html
made me think of her enhanced abilities. Or, of course, those of Khan
Noonian Singh.

I've already got super mice arunning around here.

"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"

[Michael A. Terrell]

Post by Adamastor Glace Mortimer

Post by Quadibloc
This news item
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-mouse-that-shook-the-world-744870.html
made me think of her enhanced abilities. Or, of course, those of Khan
Noonian Singh.

I've already got super mice arunning around here. Can't get rid of the damned things!
The ones around here have learned how to steal bait from traps. They can also set off the traps and not get caught, then rush in and grab the bait. Maybe the ones I have to contend with are more intellectually gifted than built for physical endurance. Maybe those mice have their own scientists who have loftier goals than getting them to run far and fast and avoid obesity.
Why can't those scientists work on building a better mouse trap, dammit!?

There are better mouse traps. Like a 50/50 mix of mortar mix &
flour, near a bowl of water. Or a five gallon bucket about 2/3 full of
soapy water and a rod with a roller across the top. The bait is on the
roller, so when the rodent climbs up and out on the roller to feed, it
rotates and drops it into the water where it drowns. If you build one
with a 15,000 gallon tank and use $100 bills for bait, you can catch
crooked politicians with one. ;-)

[Anim8rFSK]

Post by Michael A. Terrell

In article

Post by Quadibloc
This news item
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-mouse-that-shook-the-world-7
44870.html
made me think of her enhanced abilities. Or, of course, those of Khan
Noonian Singh.

I've already got super mice arunning around here. Can't get rid of the damned things!
The ones around here have learned how to steal bait from traps. They can
also set off the traps and not get caught, then rush in and grab the bait.
Maybe the ones I have to contend with are more intellectually gifted than
built for physical endurance. Maybe those mice have their own scientists
who have loftier goals than getting them to run far and fast and avoid
obesity.
Why can't those scientists work on building a better mouse trap, dammit!?

There are better mouse traps. Like a 50/50 mix of mortar mix &
flour, near a bowl of water. Or a five gallon bucket about 2/3 full of
soapy water and a rod with a roller across the top. The bait is on the
roller, so when the rodent climbs up and out on the roller to feed, it
rotates and drops it into the water where it drowns. If you build one
with a 15,000 gallon tank and use $100 bills for bait, you can catch
crooked politicians with one. ;-)

The problem with 'crooked politicians' (I repeat your redundancy) is
that no matter how red handed we catch them, they seem to be 'catch and
release'

[Michael A. Terrell]

Post by Anim8rFSK

Post by Michael A. Terrell

In article

Post by Quadibloc
This news item
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-mouse-that-shook-the-world-7
44870.html
made me think of her enhanced abilities. Or, of course, those of Khan
Noonian Singh.

I've already got super mice arunning around here. Can't get rid of the
damned things!
The ones around here have learned how to steal bait from traps. They can
also set off the traps and not get caught, then rush in and grab the bait.
Maybe the ones I have to contend with are more intellectually gifted than
built for physical endurance. Maybe those mice have their own scientists
who have loftier goals than getting them to run far and fast and avoid
obesity.
Why can't those scientists work on building a better mouse trap, dammit!?

There are better mouse traps. Like a 50/50 mix of mortar mix &
flour, near a bowl of water. Or a five gallon bucket about 2/3 full of
soapy water and a rod with a roller across the top. The bait is on the
roller, so when the rodent climbs up and out on the roller to feed, it
rotates and drops it into the water where it drowns. If you build one
with a 15,000 gallon tank and use $100 bills for bait, you can catch
crooked politicians with one. ;-)

The problem with 'crooked politicians' (I repeat your redundancy) is
that no matter how red handed we catch them, they seem to be 'catch and
release'

They can't get out of the tank, if they are soapy enough. ;-)

[Chris]

Post by Anim8rFSK

In article

Post by Quadibloc
This news item
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-mouse-that-shook-the-wo...
44870.html
made me think of her enhanced abilities. Or, of course, those of Khan
Noonian Singh.

I've already got super mice arunning around here. Can't get rid of the
damned things!
The ones around here have learned how to steal bait from traps. They can
also set off the traps and not get caught, then rush in and grab the bait.
Maybe the ones I have to contend with are more intellectually gifted than
built for physical endurance. Maybe those mice have their own scientists
who have loftier goals than getting them to run far and fast and avoid
obesity.
Why can't those scientists work on building a better mouse trap, dammit!?

   There are better mouse traps.  Like a 50/50 mix of mortar mix &
flour, near a bowl of water. Or a five gallon bucket about 2/3 full of
soapy water and a rod with a roller across the top.  The bait is on the
roller, so when the rodent climbs up and out on the roller to feed, it
rotates and drops it into the water where it drowns.  If you build one
with a 15,000 gallon tank and use $100 bills for bait, you can catch
crooked politicians with one. ;-)

The problem with 'crooked politicians' (I repeat your redundancy) is
that no matter how red handed we catch them, they seem to be 'catch and
release'

   They can't get out of the tank, if they are soapy enough. ;-)

Contact with any amount of soap generally kills politicians anyway.

Chris

--
For the last time:  I am not a mad scientist, I'm just a very ticked off
scientist!!!

[Michael A. Terrell]

Post by Chris

Post by Michael A. Terrell

Post by Anim8rFSK

Post by Michael A. Terrell

In article

Post by Quadibloc
This news item
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-mouse-that-shook-the-wo...
44870.html
made me think of her enhanced abilities. Or, of course, those of Khan
Noonian Singh.

I've already got super mice arunning around here. Can't get rid of the
damned things!
The ones around here have learned how to steal bait from traps. They can
also set off the traps and not get caught, then rush in and grab the bait.
Maybe the ones I have to contend with are more intellectually gifted than
built for physical endurance. Maybe those mice have their own scientists
who have loftier goals than getting them to run far and fast and avoid
obesity.
Why can't those scientists work on building a better mouse trap, dammit!?

There are better mouse traps. Like a 50/50 mix of mortar mix &
flour, near a bowl of water. Or a five gallon bucket about 2/3 full of
soapy water and a rod with a roller across the top. The bait is on the
roller, so when the rodent climbs up and out on the roller to feed, it
rotates and drops it into the water where it drowns. If you build one
with a 15,000 gallon tank and use $100 bills for bait, you can catch
crooked politicians with one. ;-)

The problem with 'crooked politicians' (I repeat your redundancy) is
that no matter how red handed we catch them, they seem to be 'catch and
release'

They can't get out of the tank, if they are soapy enough. ;-)

Contact with any amount of soap generally kills politicians anyway.

Especially Granny's 'Lie' soap. ;-)

[Karl Johanson]

Post by Anim8rFSK

In article

Post by Quadibloc
This news item
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-mouse-that-shook-the-wo...
44870.html
made me think of her enhanced abilities. Or, of course, those of Khan
Noonian Singh.

I've already got super mice arunning around here. Can't get rid of the
damned things!
The ones around here have learned how to steal bait from traps. They can
also set off the traps and not get caught, then rush in and grab the bait.
Maybe the ones I have to contend with are more intellectually gifted than
built for physical endurance. Maybe those mice have their own scientists
who have loftier goals than getting them to run far and fast and avoid
obesity.
Why can't those scientists work on building a better mouse trap, dammit!?

   There are better mouse traps.  Like a 50/50 mix of mortar mix &
flour, near a bowl of water. Or a five gallon bucket about 2/3 full of
soapy water and a rod with a roller across the top.  The bait is on the
roller, so when the rodent climbs up and out on the roller to feed, it
rotates and drops it into the water where it drowns.  If you build one
with a 15,000 gallon tank and use $100 bills for bait, you can catch
crooked politicians with one. ;-)

The problem with 'crooked politicians' (I repeat your redundancy) is
that no matter how red handed we catch them, they seem to be 'catch and
release'

Please don't suggest that all politicians are crooked. However, it
does seem to be true that the crooked politicians make the other 5%
look bad.

Karl Johanson

[trag]

Post by Adamastor Glace Mortimer
I've already got super mice arunning around here. Can't get rid of the damned things!
The ones around here have learned how to steal bait from traps. They can also set off the traps and not get caught, then rush in and grab the bait. Maybe the ones I have to contend with are more intellectually gifted than built for physical endurance. Maybe those mice have their own scientists who have loftier goals than getting them to run far and fast and avoid obesity.
Why can't those scientists work on building a better mouse trap, dammit!?

I find that glue traps work really well. The mice around here also
seem to be wise to spring traps, but glue traps get them every time.

[tphile]

Post by Adamastor Glace Mortimer
I've already got super mice arunning around here. Can't get rid of the damned things!
The ones around here have learned how to steal bait from traps. They can also set off the traps and not get caught, then rush in and grab the bait. Maybe the ones I have to contend with are more intellectually gifted than built for physical endurance. Maybe those mice have their own scientists who have loftier goals than getting them to run far and fast and avoid obesity.
Why can't those scientists work on building a better mouse trap, dammit!?

I find that glue traps work really well.   The mice around here also
seem to be wise to spring traps, but glue traps get them every time.

along with cockroaches, lizards and any other unwelcome large pests.
not so good for ants. flys and termites

[Michael A. Terrell]

Post by trag

Post by Adamastor Glace Mortimer
I've already got super mice arunning around here. Can't get rid of the damned things!
The ones around here have learned how to steal bait from traps. They can also set off the traps and not get caught, then rush in and grab the bait. Maybe the ones I have to contend with are more intellectually gifted than built for physical endurance. Maybe those mice have their own scientists who have loftier goals than getting them to run far and fast and avoid obesity.
Why can't those scientists work on building a better mouse trap, dammit!?

I find that glue traps work really well. The mice around here also
seem to be wise to spring traps, but glue traps get them every time.

Some can get loose from a glue trap. I tossed a mouse & the trap
into my trashcan. It got free from the glue and chewed a hole in the lid
to escape.

[Scott Lurndal]

Post by Michael A. Terrell
Some can get loose from a glue trap. I tossed a mouse & the trap
into my trashcan. It got free from the glue and chewed a hole in the lid
to escape.

So why didn't you just kill it after you caught it. Letting it die of
starvation is cruel.

scott

[Michael A. Terrell]

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by Michael A. Terrell
Some can get loose from a glue trap. I tossed a mouse & the trap
into my trashcan. It got free from the glue and chewed a hole in the lid
to escape.

So why didn't you just kill it after you caught it. Letting it die of
starvation is cruel.

I thought it was dead. It turned out that it was just playing
possum.

[Default User]

Post by trag
I find that glue traps work really well. The mice around here also
seem to be wise to spring traps, but glue traps get them every time.

Bleah. You end up with a terrified mouse glued to a board. I found the
tunnel-style traps to work very well.



Brian

[Scott Lurndal]

Post by Adamastor Glace Mortimer

I've already got super mice arunning around here. Can't get rid of the da=

mned things!

The ones around here have learned how to steal bait from traps. They can =

also set off the traps and not get caught, then rush in and grab the bait. =
Maybe the ones I have to contend with are more intellectually gifted than b=
uilt for physical endurance. Maybe those mice have their own scientists who=
have loftier goals than getting them to run far and fast and avoid obesity=
.

Why can't those scientists work on building a better mouse trap, dammit!?

I find that glue traps work really well. The mice around here also
seem to be wise to spring traps, but glue traps get them every time.

Evolution in action. The smart mice don't get caught and breed more
smart mice. You can't win.

scott