_How Firm a Foundation_ (Safehold) by Davd Weber

On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 13:39:17 -0500, an orbiting mind-control laser

Post by Lynn McGuire
I believe that the Safehold series is a retelling
of Weber's earlier most excellent Dahak series,
http://www.amazon.com/Mutineers-Dahak-Series-David-Weber/dp/0671720856/
I have nothing to base this belief on other than
my own reading of both series.

While that's certainly a defensible position, I've always felt it
was more of his revisiting themes that he likes to write about.

-JPB

Loren Pechtel

2012-09-18 23:08:42 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
_How Firm a Foundation_ (Safehold) by Davd Weber
http://www.amazon.com/Firm-Foundation-Safehold-David-Weber/dp/0765361256/
5th book in a series of 6 books so far. I suspect
that this series will go 10, maybe 12 books, before
Weber runs out of gas.
I believe that the Safehold series is a retelling
of Weber's earlier most excellent Dahak series,
http://www.amazon.com/Mutineers-Dahak-Series-David-Weber/dp/0671720856/
I have nothing to base this belief on other than
my own reading of both series.
I find HFAF to be a very good book of telling
about a very trying time. The books is tighter
than the previous books in the series so maybe
someone is telling him to calm down on the cannon
p0rn. Personally, I like the series either way.

In a sense it's a retelling of the third book of the Dahak series but
certainly not the first two.

Lynn McGuire

2012-09-19 17:15:37 UTC

In a sense it's a retelling of the third book of the Dahak series but
certainly not the first two.

So far. Only Mr. Weber knows what the future
will bring. Of course, the Dahak series is
about the 5th ? sweep of the Milky Way galaxy
by the A* guys. I believe this book to be a
story of the 2nd or 3rd sweep.

Lynn

Loren Pechtel

2012-09-19 20:42:23 UTC

Post by Loren Pechtel
In a sense it's a retelling of the third book of the Dahak series but
certainly not the first two.

Except the enemies are clearly different.

Lynn McGuire

2012-09-20 16:23:20 UTC

Post by Loren Pechtel
In a sense it's a retelling of the third book of the Dahak series but
certainly not the first two.

Except the enemies are clearly different.

Are they ? Overwhelming numbers of small ships ?
Sounds like the A* guys to me.

Lynn

Loren Pechtel

2012-09-20 22:35:54 UTC

Post by Loren Pechtel
In a sense it's a retelling of the third book of the Dahak series but
certainly not the first two.

Except the enemies are clearly different.

Are they ? Overwhelming numbers of small ships ?
Sounds like the A* guys to me.

The Safehold aliens were expanding from a nearby point, not sweeping
down the spiral arm.

Bob Casanova

2012-09-20 17:21:09 UTC

On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:42:23 -0700, the following appeared
in alt.books.david-weber, posted by Loren Pechtel

Post by Loren Pechtel
In a sense it's a retelling of the third book of the Dahak series but
certainly not the first two.

Except the enemies are clearly different.

And since Earth is the "mother country" of the Safehold
colony, it would clearly be after Earth was colonized by
Dahak's crew. Among many other discrepancies.

--
Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."

- McNameless

Lynn McGuire

2012-09-20 17:54:31 UTC

Post by Bob Casanova
On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:42:23 -0700, the following appeared
in alt.books.david-weber, posted by Loren Pechtel

Post by Loren Pechtel
In a sense it's a retelling of the third book of the Dahak series but
certainly not the first two.

Except the enemies are clearly different.

And since Earth is the "mother country" of the Safehold
colony, it would clearly be after Earth was colonized by
Dahak's crew. Among many other discrepancies.

Wasn't Earth visited by the 2nd and 3rd waves
of the A* guys ?

Lynn

Aahz Maruch

2012-09-20 23:34:20 UTC

Post by Bob Casanova
On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:42:23 -0700, the following appeared
in alt.books.david-weber, posted by Loren Pechtel

Post by Loren Pechtel
In a sense it's a retelling of the third book of the Dahak series but
certainly not the first two.

Except the enemies are clearly different.

And since Earth is the "mother country" of the Safehold
colony, it would clearly be after Earth was colonized by
Dahak's crew. Among many other discrepancies.

Wasn't Earth visited by the 2nd and 3rd waves
of the A* guys ?

It wasn't called "Earth" then.

--
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<*> <*> <*>
'When a man tells you that he got rich through hard work, ask him: "Whose?"'
--Don Marquis

Drak Bibliophile

2012-09-22 04:14:41 UTC

Post by Aahz Maruch

Post by Bob Casanova
On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:42:23 -0700, the following appeared
in alt.books.david-weber, posted by Loren Pechtel

Post by Loren Pechtel
In a sense it's a retelling of the third book of the Dahak series but
certainly not the first two.

Except the enemies are clearly different.

And since Earth is the "mother country" of the Safehold
colony, it would clearly be after Earth was colonized by
Dahak's crew. Among many other discrepancies.

Wasn't Earth visited by the 2nd and 3rd waves
of the A* guys ?

It wasn't called "Earth" then.

Plus, there's plenty of evidence for *our* history being known by
Nimue/Merlin.

--
*
Paul Howard (Alias Drak Bibliophile)
*
Sometimes The Dragon Wins!
*
--------
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Bob Casanova

2012-09-22 17:32:25 UTC

On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 23:14:41 -0500, the following appeared
in alt.books.david-weber, posted by Drak Bibliophile

Post by Drak Bibliophile

Post by Aahz Maruch

Post by Bob Casanova
On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:42:23 -0700, the following appeared
in alt.books.david-weber, posted by Loren Pechtel

Post by Loren Pechtel
In a sense it's a retelling of the third book of the Dahak series but
certainly not the first two.

Except the enemies are clearly different.

And since Earth is the "mother country" of the Safehold
colony, it would clearly be after Earth was colonized by
Dahak's crew. Among many other discrepancies.

Wasn't Earth visited by the 2nd and 3rd waves
of the A* guys ?

It wasn't called "Earth" then.

Plus, there's plenty of evidence for *our* history being known by
Nimue/Merlin.

Yep.

The only commonality is the existence of a theocracy based
on a manufactured religion with an anti-tech core, and even
that only in _Heirs of Empire_; hardly a case of
"retelling".

--
Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."

- McNameless

Loren Pechtel

2012-09-22 23:59:03 UTC

Post by Bob Casanova
The only commonality is the existence of a theocracy based
on a manufactured religion with an anti-tech core, and even
that only in _Heirs of Empire_; hardly a case of
"retelling".

They both went anti-tech to hide from something in the stars.

Bob Casanova

2012-09-23 17:18:21 UTC

On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 16:59:03 -0700, the following appeared
in alt.books.david-weber, posted by Loren Pechtel

They both went anti-tech to hide from something in the stars.

Sort of, although while the story in the Safehold series
involved hiding from a race of genocidal aliens, _Heirs of
Empire_ didn't; it was about a home-grown plague and the
Aachultani weren't an issue.

And for that matter they both involved humans, another
irrelevancy WRT any "retelling" issue.

--
Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."

- McNameless

Bob Casanova

2012-09-21 17:19:25 UTC

On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 12:54:31 -0500, the following appeared
in alt.books.david-weber, posted by Lynn McGuire

Post by Bob Casanova
On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:42:23 -0700, the following appeared
in alt.books.david-weber, posted by Loren Pechtel

Post by Loren Pechtel
In a sense it's a retelling of the third book of the Dahak series but
certainly not the first two.

Except the enemies are clearly different.

And since Earth is the "mother country" of the Safehold
colony, it would clearly be after Earth was colonized by
Dahak's crew. Among many other discrepancies.

Wasn't Earth visited by the 2nd and 3rd waves
of the A* guys ?

Not according to the "Dahak" backstory. Earth was
uninhabited until the mutiny.

--
Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."

- McNameless

Torbjorn Lindgren

2012-09-23 09:37:47 UTC

Post by Bob Casanova
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 12:54:31 -0500, the following appeared
in alt.books.david-weber, posted by Lynn McGuire

Post by Lynn McGuire
Wasn't Earth visited by the 2nd and 3rd waves
of the A* guys ?

Not according to the "Dahak" backstory. Earth was
uninhabited until the mutiny.

I checked an eBook version of Empire from the Ashes.

Achuultani *first* (known) wave hit Earth with an Asteroid and wiped
out the dinosaurs, they investigated our solar system due to a First
Imperium base on the fifth planet (now the asteroid belt) and since
they were here they took the occasion to hit earth too. This is from
Dahak's early presentation to Colin.

IIRC there's no mentioning of any other solar system strikes and
there's shouldn't have been any REASON for them to hit Earth since
there was no technology to draw them in so it's unlikely that 2nd or
3rd wave hit Earth, there's too many suns to investigate all and we
know they only investigate and hit solar systems where the scouts find
signs of technology.

I think there's an example of this is mentioned specifically later,
probably in book two. So without the "1I" base on the fifth planet the
dinosaurs wouldn't have been wiped out (at that point in time at
least).

Bob Casanova

2012-09-23 17:13:47 UTC