What do you do when 400 wallers give up

[deowll]

That is not a trivial problem. The sane thing to do would be to require they
roll their wedge and, all those who can, depart the premises.

At that point you could pick those people up using commercial hulls but with
a large security force.

The last pick ups would need to be done ship by ship again using commercial
hulls with a large security forces. I suppose a couple of the least
hospitable planets in the Manticore system might have locations you could
stash them but on the whole I think it would be better to relocate them
elsewhere.

There are obviously locations in the Cluster that would work but on the
whole I think I'd send them to some location even more remote and force them
to colonize. That is they would have to grow their own food, build their own
housing, and whatever. This should prevent them from setting around being
idle and planning mischief. If at some point they were freed they could
leave.

I had considered putting them down on some planet in the Cluster in an
internment camp and allowing them to seek employment outside the camp or
even move out if they were self supporting. If they could arrange
transportation home they could leave.

[joem256]

Post by deowll
That is not a trivial problem. The sane thing to do would be to require they
roll their wedge and, all those who can, depart the premises.
At that point you could pick those people up using commercial hulls but with
a large security force.
The last pick ups would need to be done ship by ship again using commercial
hulls with a large security forces. I suppose a couple of the least
hospitable planets in the Manticore system might have locations you could
stash them but on the whole I think it would be better to relocate them
elsewhere.
There are obviously locations in the Cluster that would work �but on the
whole I think I'd send them to some location even more remote and force them
to colonize. That is they would have to grow their own food, build their own
housing, and whatever. This should prevent them from setting around being
idle and planning mischief. If at some point they were freed they could
leave.
I had considered putting them down on some planet in the Cluster in an
internment camp and allowing them to seek employment outside the camp or
even move out if they were self supporting. If they could arrange
transportation home they could leave.

Those ideas have merit. Because lets face it, what happens when you
have the populations of LA and Philidelphia combined dropped into your
lap.

[Loren Pechtel]

Post by deowll
That is not a trivial problem. The sane thing to do would be to require they
roll their wedge and, all those who can, depart the premises.
At that point you could pick those people up using commercial hulls but with
a large security force.
The last pick ups would need to be done ship by ship again using commercial
hulls with a large security forces. I suppose a couple of the least
hospitable planets in the Manticore system might have locations you could
stash them but on the whole I think it would be better to relocate them
elsewhere.
There are obviously locations in the Cluster that would work but on the
whole I think I'd send them to some location even more remote and force them
to colonize. That is they would have to grow their own food, build their own
housing, and whatever. This should prevent them from setting around being
idle and planning mischief. If at some point they were freed they could
leave.
I had considered putting them down on some planet in the Cluster in an
internment camp and allowing them to seek employment outside the camp or
even move out if they were self supporting. If they could arrange
transportation home they could leave.

Actually, I think they handled the surrender at Spindle wrong. There
was no reason to use the life pods. Have the ships go to the planet
and use their shuttles to get everyone down. There's no reason the
shuttles can't go back and forth however many times they need to in
order to get everyone down. That would have given a 100% evacuation
of the ships.

I also wouldn't make the people do their own farming. Take a
habitable but undesirable planet, everyone goes there and food is
dropped. Leave a few ships in orbit with their drives and weapons
removed to provide the medical support.

[deowll]

Post by Loren Pechtel

Post by deowll
That is not a trivial problem. The sane thing to do would be to require they
roll their wedge and, all those who can, depart the premises.
At that point you could pick those people up using commercial hulls but with
a large security force.
The last pick ups would need to be done ship by ship again using commercial
hulls with a large security forces. I suppose a couple of the least
hospitable planets in the Manticore system might have locations you could
stash them but on the whole I think it would be better to relocate them
elsewhere.
There are obviously locations in the Cluster that would work but on the
whole I think I'd send them to some location even more remote and force them
to colonize. That is they would have to grow their own food, build their own
housing, and whatever. This should prevent them from setting around being
idle and planning mischief. If at some point they were freed they could
leave.
I had considered putting them down on some planet in the Cluster in an
internment camp and allowing them to seek employment outside the camp or
even move out if they were self supporting. If they could arrange
transportation home they could leave.

Actually, I think they handled the surrender at Spindle wrong. There
was no reason to use the life pods. Have the ships go to the planet
and use their shuttles to get everyone down. There's no reason the
shuttles can't go back and forth however many times they need to in
order to get everyone down. That would have given a 100% evacuation
of the ships.

If those ships were in orbit around an inhabited planet they could demand
the planet and you surrender and blow it away before they could be stopped
if it and you didn't. It would be as prudent as letting an armed felon take
your wife hostage. Letting them anywhere near the planet would have been a
staggering mistake. The reason for using the pods is that once the pods were
used there weren't enough people left on board to fight the ships and those
people could reach the planet on their own and did not represent a major
threat to the planet.

Post by Loren Pechtel
I also wouldn't make the people do their own farming. Take a
habitable but undesirable planet, everyone goes there and food is
dropped. Leave a few ships in orbit with their drives and weapons
removed to provide the medical support.

[Loren Pechtel]

Post by deowll
If those ships were in orbit around an inhabited planet they could demand
the planet and you surrender and blow it away before they could be stopped
if it and you didn't. It would be as prudent as letting an armed felon take
your wife hostage. Letting them anywhere near the planet would have been a
staggering mistake. The reason for using the pods is that once the pods were
used there weren't enough people left on board to fight the ships and those
people could reach the planet on their own and did not represent a major
threat to the planet.

Were they being landed on an inhabited planet??

If it was then use the shuttles and leave the ships far enough away
not to be a threat.

[deowll]

Post by Loren Pechtel

Post by deowll
If those ships were in orbit around an inhabited planet they could demand
the planet and you surrender and blow it away before they could be stopped
if it and you didn't. It would be as prudent as letting an armed felon take
your wife hostage. Letting them anywhere near the planet would have been a
staggering mistake. The reason for using the pods is that once the pods were
used there weren't enough people left on board to fight the ships and those
people could reach the planet on their own and did not represent a major
threat to the planet.

Were they being landed on an inhabited planet??
If it was then use the shuttles and leave the ships far enough away
not to be a threat.

They were and they used the escape pods first and then shuttles.

[Loren Pechtel]

Post by deowll

Post by Loren Pechtel

Post by deowll
If those ships were in orbit around an inhabited planet they could demand
the planet and you surrender and blow it away before they could be stopped
if it and you didn't. It would be as prudent as letting an armed felon take
your wife hostage. Letting them anywhere near the planet would have been a
staggering mistake. The reason for using the pods is that once the pods were
used there weren't enough people left on board to fight the ships and those
people could reach the planet on their own and did not represent a major
threat to the planet.

Were they being landed on an inhabited planet??
If it was then use the shuttles and leave the ships far enough away
not to be a threat.

They were and they used the escape pods first and then shuttles.

I just see no reason to use the pods, or to insist on doing it in a
single trip. Send the shuttles back and forth as much as needed.

[deowll]

Post by Loren Pechtel

Post by deowll

Post by Loren Pechtel

Post by deowll
If those ships were in orbit around an inhabited planet they could demand
the planet and you surrender and blow it away before they could be stopped
if it and you didn't. It would be as prudent as letting an armed felon take
your wife hostage. Letting them anywhere near the planet would have been a
staggering mistake. The reason for using the pods is that once the pods were
used there weren't enough people left on board to fight the ships and those
people could reach the planet on their own and did not represent a major
threat to the planet.

Were they being landed on an inhabited planet??
If it was then use the shuttles and leave the ships far enough away
not to be a threat.

They were and they used the escape pods first and then shuttles.

I just see no reason to use the pods, or to insist on doing it in a
single trip. Send the shuttles back and forth as much as needed.

Using the pods meant that the ships could not change their minds and get
hostile. While a person or two might cause problems they weren't going to be
able to fire up the drives/wedges/sidewalls and unload on everybody within
range. No claim was made that they were all removed in a single trip.

[pyotr filipivich]

Go into the second hand military surplus business?

You could call it Wall-Mart.


pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.

[Michael R N Dolbear]

Post by deowll
There are obviously locations in the Cluster that would work but on the
whole I think I'd send them to some location even more remote and force them
to colonize. That is they would have to grow their own food, build their own
housing, and whatever. This should prevent them from setting around being
idle and planning mischief. If at some point they were freed they could
leave.
I had considered putting them down on some planet in the Cluster in an
internment camp and allowing them to seek employment outside the camp or
even move out if they were self supporting. If they could arrange
transportation home they could leave.

This may not be legal under the Deneb Accords which probably require
PoWs to be handed over to representatives of their or a neutral star
nation.

They could be sent to Hades of course, but Manticore probably has camps
sufficient to hold them all that could be reactivated.

[deowll]

Post by deowll

Post by deowll
There are obviously locations in the Cluster that would work but on

the

Post by deowll
whole I think I'd send them to some location even more remote and

force them

Post by deowll
to colonize. That is they would have to grow their own food, build

their own

Post by deowll
housing, and whatever. This should prevent them from setting around

being

Post by deowll
idle and planning mischief. If at some point they were freed they

could

Post by deowll
leave.
I had considered putting them down on some planet in the Cluster in

an

Post by deowll
internment camp and allowing them to seek employment outside the camp

or

Post by deowll
even move out if they were self supporting. If they could arrange
transportation home they could leave.

This may not be legal under the Deneb Accords which probably require
PoWs to be handed over to representatives of their or a neutral star
nation.
They could be sent to Hades of course, but Manticore probably has camps
sufficient to hold them all that could be reactivated.
--
Mike D

POWs are _required_ to try and escape. DW said so. If you let them
escape/leave how have you broken the law? ?8^) Now if you kicked them out
to strave that would be different. The way I said to set it up it would be
the POWs that would be breaking the law by not trying to escape.