Discussion:
Marsh Sidemore
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deowll
2010-04-07 19:46:15 UTC
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It is really hard to judge distances using DWs maps but I've been looking at
one and thinking. I do that sometimes. ?;^)

I think you get to Sedimore from Basilisk station and it is one heck of a
long way from Mesa and the SL without using a wormhole; maybe a year one
way? I think it was also making its own crusiers and it's personel were
serving part time on Star Empire ships the last we heard. The Star Kingdom
has a major _maintainence_ yard there. In other words very good allies.

This suggests that it _should_ be possible to get production going or
increased substantially for 1 and maybe 2 stage missiles at Sidemore to
supply the needs of the Alliances lesser ships without it becoming much of a
target for either the SL or Alignment because it is to freaking remote to be
worth the effort nor are one and two stage missiles their main worries. It
might even be possible to make LACs , DD, and Crusiers that would be up to
Alliances standerds there. Okay they might still have to import a few
critical parts mainly electronics but even so...No I don't think they could
make enough crusiers to meet the needs of the Alliance but even if it was
only four or five or a dozen or so that would help and production could
grow.

No that is _not_ going to win the war. It should take a small amount of
pressure off to the need to do _everything_ at Trevers Star.

I also didn't say a word about larger ships because I don't think Sidemore
is set up to make them and can't be for some time even with a lot of outside
help nor did I suggest they make three stage missiles much less Apollo
missiles. I think it is more reasonible that Manticore focus on making those
at Trevers Star.

I really didn't like that _all_ missile production has been knocked out line
DW stuck in Mission of Honor. It did not and does not compute. Sure your
latest and best missiles are going to be made in home system but single
stage missiles should be made by most of the Alliance that would meet the
needs of DD. Two stage missiles should be made by several members of the
Alliance that would meet the needs of crusiers and at least some of them
should fit in the same missile tubes.

Now if DW had said all our three stage missile production and Apollo
production has been completely knocked out I'd have bought that but even
then that statement should have waited until after they knew Grayson had
been hit. Well maybe not they were talking about their production after all.

Another observation. If the Apollo missiles being made by the Andies are the
same as what Manticore use then why didn't we hear more about Manticore
trying to get any surplus that the Andies had? Even it the missiles aren't
the same Manticore should have still wanted them for use in system defense
pods. Until or unless Manticore runs out of sytem defense pods those old
wallers the SLN are using and updating aren't going to be much of a threat
and neither is Frontier Fleet.

We aren't hearing much about the Andies even though Gregor is not all that
remote as in on the other side of the Wormhole. That is very odd.


I think there were fifteen yards in Manticore that were untouched because
they were basicly locations in space for assembling parts with nothing going
on with some equipment drifting there and 8 more that were damaged. If they
can get parts they can at least repair ships and if they can get enough
parts they might be able to start making a ship or two at a time.
Don Sample
2010-04-07 23:51:50 UTC
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Post by deowll
It is really hard to judge distances using DWs maps but I've been looking at
one and thinking. I do that sometimes. ?;^)
Sidemore is about 5 days closer to the Gregor terminus of the junction,
than it is to Basilisk. Honor went by was of Basilisk in War of Honor,
because Gregor is in Andermani space, and she didn't want to annoy them
any more than they already were by passing her fleet through their space
(or let them have a good look at what she was bringing in.)
Post by deowll
I think you get to Sedimore from Basilisk station and it is one heck of a
long way from Mesa and the SL without using a wormhole; maybe a year one
way?
More like six months, and there might be wormholes available that will
cut the travel time down. Not much has been said about the Asgard
junction, and how it's aligned with the various other powers. If it
could be used by a fleet travelling from Mesa to Marsh, it would cut
about 20% off the distance, and there are other wormholes that we don't
know much about. A couple get mentioned in Torch of Freedom, some of
which Mesa has discovered and are keeping to themselves for now.

There are probably others that they could use, that haven't come up in
the story yet. Either that, or the Manticoran side of the Solarian
League has an awfully high density of wormhole termini, compared to the
rest of the explored universe.
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deowll
2010-04-08 03:19:18 UTC
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Post by deowll
It is really hard to judge distances using DWs maps but I've been looking at
one and thinking. I do that sometimes. ?;^)
Sidemore is about 5 days closer to the Gregor terminus of the junction,
than it is to Basilisk. Honor went by was of Basilisk in War of Honor,
because Gregor is in Andermani space, and she didn't want to annoy them
any more than they already were by passing her fleet through their space
(or let them have a good look at what she was bringing in.)
Post by deowll
I think you get to Sedimore from Basilisk station and it is one heck of a
long way from Mesa and the SL without using a wormhole; maybe a year one
way?
More like six months, and there might be wormholes available that will
cut the travel time down. Not much has been said about the Asgard
junction, and how it's aligned with the various other powers. If it
could be used by a fleet travelling from Mesa to Marsh, it would cut
about 20% off the distance, and there are other wormholes that we don't
know much about. A couple get mentioned in Torch of Freedom, some of
which Mesa has discovered and are keeping to themselves for now.
There are probably others that they could use, that haven't come up in
the story yet. Either that, or the Manticoran side of the Solarian
League has an awfully high density of wormhole termini, compared to the
rest of the explored universe.
Sedimore looks to be as remote as the Republic or more correctly Trever's
star on my star map and I still seem to recall that it takes a year to reach
the Republic without wormholes but that might well depend on which system
you are talking about even if true. You can't actually tell jack by looking
at the maps. Its five months to Manticore system from the world the Mesan
fleet was made on I assume without worm holes. Okay maybe the merchant ship
did go through some wormholes and wasn't stopped coming to Manticore or
checked because it was through traffic? I don't think they said how they
went back and I think that was were I got the five months from. I guess I
need to check, rats. Um of course even if it was five months they may have
spent the better part of a month running on stealth drives away from the
Manticore hyper limit. I also seem to recall that the transport ship had the
highspeed hyper sails so where does that leave us? Confused. I don't think
it has as yet been five months after Oyster Bay/Pearl Harbor in the HH
universe or not much more than that and some other things have happened
after the fleet got home in the Alignment. Considering the distance involved
I'm not sure everybody and all the information could have moved around that
fast without FTL com over large distances. Maybe DW better leave those star
maps vague or we may need another great resizing.

If you use a worm hole you need to be sure they'll let you back through. I
suspect most systems wouldn't let a known Mesan fleet anywhere near their
wormhole junction and if they did let it through they wouldn't let it back
through. Besides as of yet the Alignment is not wanting to show its strips
and claws and the members of the Renaissance Factor have a firm anti-Mesan
reputation to maintain.

The wormhole at Congo would have been handy but I'm told it is rather small.
My point is that moving a fleet through might take time. Maybe just one SD
at a time or some such and until Mesa can control it about all they can do
is block it because they sure don't want to be seen using it.
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2010-04-08 05:57:17 UTC
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Post by deowll
It is really hard to judge distances using DWs maps but I've been looking at
one and thinking. I do that sometimes. ?;^)
Sidemore is about 5 days closer to the Gregor terminus of the junction,
than it is to Basilisk. Honor went by was of Basilisk in War of Honor,
because Gregor is in Andermani space, and she didn't want to annoy them
any more than they already were by passing her fleet through their space
(or let them have a good look at what she was bringing in.)
Post by deowll
I think you get to Sedimore from Basilisk station and it is one heck of a
long way from Mesa and the SL without using a wormhole; maybe a year one
way?
More like six months, and there might be wormholes available that will
cut the travel time down. Not much has been said about the Asgard
junction, and how it's aligned with the various other powers. If it
could be used by a fleet travelling from Mesa to Marsh, it would cut
about 20% off the distance, and there are other wormholes that we don't
know much about. A couple get mentioned in Torch of Freedom, some of
which Mesa has discovered and are keeping to themselves for now.
There are probably others that they could use, that haven't come up in
the story yet. Either that, or the Manticoran side of the Solarian
League has an awfully high density of wormhole termini, compared to the
rest of the explored universe.
Sedimore looks to be as remote as the Republic or more correctly Trever's
star on my star map and I still seem to recall that it takes a year to reach
the Republic without wormholes but that might well depend on which system
you are talking about even if true. You can't actually tell jack by looking
at the maps. Its five months to Manticore system from the world the Mesan
fleet was made on I assume without worm holes.
Looking at this map:
<http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/The_Honor_Harrington_
Universe.PNG> which assembles various bits of information from the
various maps in the books and other sources, and seems to accurately
reflect the published info.

Mesa is pretty much on the far side of the Solarian League from
Manticore. Sol to Manticore is about 500 light years. Mesa appears to
be about 700 ly from Manticore. (It's a bit over 600 ly to Talbott, and
over 200 from Talbott to Mesa, but they're not directly in line with
each other.)

Haven is a couple of hundred light years farther out from Sol, so call
it 700 ly from Sol too.

Top speed for warships in the highest reachable band of hyperspace is
3000 C, <http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/entry/Harrington/95/1>
which is about 8 ly/day. But ships can't stay in the highest band all
the time. Warships in hyper seem to do about 7 ly a day, based on
various transit times given over known distances, so 700 ly is 100 days,
or about 3 months. Mesa to Marsh is a bit farther, maybe 800 ly, so it
would take another couple of weeks.
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deowll
2010-04-08 11:12:08 UTC
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Post by deowll
Post by Don Sample
Post by deowll
It is really hard to judge distances using DWs maps but I've been
looking
at
one and thinking. I do that sometimes. ?;^)
Sidemore is about 5 days closer to the Gregor terminus of the junction,
than it is to Basilisk. Honor went by was of Basilisk in War of Honor,
because Gregor is in Andermani space, and she didn't want to annoy them
any more than they already were by passing her fleet through their space
(or let them have a good look at what she was bringing in.)
Post by deowll
I think you get to Sedimore from Basilisk station and it is one heck of a
long way from Mesa and the SL without using a wormhole; maybe a year one
way?
More like six months, and there might be wormholes available that will
cut the travel time down. Not much has been said about the Asgard
junction, and how it's aligned with the various other powers. If it
could be used by a fleet travelling from Mesa to Marsh, it would cut
about 20% off the distance, and there are other wormholes that we don't
know much about. A couple get mentioned in Torch of Freedom, some of
which Mesa has discovered and are keeping to themselves for now.
There are probably others that they could use, that haven't come up in
the story yet. Either that, or the Manticoran side of the Solarian
League has an awfully high density of wormhole termini, compared to the
rest of the explored universe.
Sedimore looks to be as remote as the Republic or more correctly Trever's
star on my star map and I still seem to recall that it takes a year to reach
the Republic without wormholes but that might well depend on which system
you are talking about even if true. You can't actually tell jack by looking
at the maps. Its five months to Manticore system from the world the Mesan
fleet was made on I assume without worm holes.
<http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/The_Honor_Harrington_
Universe.PNG> which assembles various bits of information from the
various maps in the books and other sources, and seems to accurately
reflect the published info.
Mesa is pretty much on the far side of the Solarian League from
Manticore. Sol to Manticore is about 500 light years. Mesa appears to
be about 700 ly from Manticore. (It's a bit over 600 ly to Talbott, and
over 200 from Talbott to Mesa, but they're not directly in line with
each other.)
Haven is a couple of hundred light years farther out from Sol, so call
it 700 ly from Sol too.
Top speed for warships in the highest reachable band of hyperspace is
3000 C, <http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/entry/Harrington/95/1>
which is about 8 ly/day. But ships can't stay in the highest band all
the time. Warships in hyper seem to do about 7 ly a day, based on
various transit times given over known distances, so 700 ly is 100 days,
or about 3 months. Mesa to Marsh is a bit farther, maybe 800 ly, so it
would take another couple of weeks.
How ever one of the Alignments new hulls about the size of a cruiser made a
trip in about 1/4 less time than normal so we can see the top speed number
changing at least for them.

You still can't really tell jack because they have moved things around to
fit on the map. Yeltson/Grayson aren't on the map and they are about a week
from Manticore. Masada is nada. I'm shocked the Andies didn't grab Marsh
when they had the chance. I'm sure they have a lot more systems than shown.
In fact I'm sort of wondering if Marsh isn't setting on one side of what is
now Andie space in a rather isolated location. I was also thinking that
Monca was very close to League controled space when it isn't even in the
Verge according to the map while Lynx was a lot more remote with most of the
other systems in Talbot being closer. If you believe the map it's the other
way around.

I found Congo and Erewhon. The Worm hole through Congo is clearly a fast
route from Mesan space all the way across the league to a location near
Havenite and Manticore space. The Alignment would have had to be freaking
_insane_ to not take advantage of a cash cow like that. In fact they seem to
have been hiding several wormholes rather than using them to make money.
Without the worm hole I'd say Mesa was pretty much nuts to have tried to be
doing anything in Manticore space three hundred years back because of the
huge travel time other than plant sleepers and have them try and work
themselves up among the elite. There is no way to have more than the most
vague oversight when your people are months to years in journey time from
home. Spindle is by no means the nearest system to the Lynx wormhole. I
guess I knew that but the logical stopping place for supplies and a navel
yard/commercial yard is Lynx B because it is the nearest inhabited system
yet its been completely ignored in the last few books.

Am I actually seeing the Maya sector? This map need to be updated badly.
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2010-04-08 17:56:14 UTC
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Post by Don Sample
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Post by deowll
It is really hard to judge distances using DWs maps but I've been
looking
at
one and thinking. I do that sometimes. ?;^)
Sidemore is about 5 days closer to the Gregor terminus of the junction,
than it is to Basilisk. Honor went by was of Basilisk in War of Honor,
because Gregor is in Andermani space, and she didn't want to annoy them
any more than they already were by passing her fleet through their space
(or let them have a good look at what she was bringing in.)
Post by deowll
I think you get to Sedimore from Basilisk station and it is one heck of a
long way from Mesa and the SL without using a wormhole; maybe a year one
way?
More like six months, and there might be wormholes available that will
cut the travel time down. Not much has been said about the Asgard
junction, and how it's aligned with the various other powers. If it
could be used by a fleet travelling from Mesa to Marsh, it would cut
about 20% off the distance, and there are other wormholes that we don't
know much about. A couple get mentioned in Torch of Freedom, some of
which Mesa has discovered and are keeping to themselves for now.
There are probably others that they could use, that haven't come up in
the story yet. Either that, or the Manticoran side of the Solarian
League has an awfully high density of wormhole termini, compared to the
rest of the explored universe.
Sedimore looks to be as remote as the Republic or more correctly Trever's
star on my star map and I still seem to recall that it takes a year to reach
the Republic without wormholes but that might well depend on which system
you are talking about even if true. You can't actually tell jack by looking
at the maps. Its five months to Manticore system from the world the Mesan
fleet was made on I assume without worm holes.
<http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/The_Honor_Harrington_
Universe.PNG> which assembles various bits of information from the
various maps in the books and other sources, and seems to accurately
reflect the published info.
Mesa is pretty much on the far side of the Solarian League from
Manticore. Sol to Manticore is about 500 light years. Mesa appears to
be about 700 ly from Manticore. (It's a bit over 600 ly to Talbott, and
over 200 from Talbott to Mesa, but they're not directly in line with
each other.)
Haven is a couple of hundred light years farther out from Sol, so call
it 700 ly from Sol too.
Top speed for warships in the highest reachable band of hyperspace is
3000 C, <http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/entry/Harrington/95/1>
which is about 8 ly/day. But ships can't stay in the highest band all
the time. Warships in hyper seem to do about 7 ly a day, based on
various transit times given over known distances, so 700 ly is 100 days,
or about 3 months. Mesa to Marsh is a bit farther, maybe 800 ly, so it
would take another couple of weeks.
How ever one of the Alignments new hulls about the size of a cruiser made a
trip in about 1/4 less time than normal so we can see the top speed number
changing at least for them.
You still can't really tell jack because they have moved things around to
fit on the map. Yeltson/Grayson aren't on the map and they are about a week
from Manticore. Masada is nada. I'm shocked the Andies didn't grab Marsh
when they had the chance. I'm sure they have a lot more systems than shown.
In fact I'm sort of wondering if Marsh isn't setting on one side of what is
now Andie space in a rather isolated location. I was also thinking that
Monca was very close to League controled space when it isn't even in the
Verge according to the map while Lynx was a lot more remote with most of the
other systems in Talbot being closer. If you believe the map it's the other
way around.
Yeltson and Endicot are on the map, numbers 30 and 20.

Marsh was a nothing system, with no reason for anyone to ever visit it,
(Which is why Warneki chose to hide out there) before the Manties set up
Sidemore Station there. Once they had, The Andies couldn't take it with

The Talbott cluster portion of the map matches up with the one in
_Shadow of Saganami_ when you take into account the fact that for some
reason the SoS map is rotated 90 degrees, with North to the left, and
South to the right.
Post by deowll
I found Congo and Erewhon. The Worm hole through Congo is clearly a fast
route from Mesan space all the way across the league to a location near
Havenite and Manticore space. The Alignment would have had to be freaking
_insane_ to not take advantage of a cash cow like that. In fact they seem to
have been hiding several wormholes rather than using them to make money.
They're not in it for the money. They plan to take over the universe.
Post by deowll
Without the worm hole I'd say Mesa was pretty much nuts to have tried to be
doing anything in Manticore space three hundred years back because of the
huge travel time other than plant sleepers and have them try and work
themselves up among the elite. There is no way to have more than the most
vague oversight when your people are months to years in journey time from
home. Spindle is by no means the nearest system to the Lynx wormhole. I
guess I knew that but the logical stopping place for supplies and a navel
yard/commercial yard is Lynx B because it is the nearest inhabited system
yet its been completely ignored in the last few books.
Am I actually seeing the Maya sector? This map need to be updated badly.
Maya is there, directly below Erewhon.
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deowll
2010-04-08 20:20:21 UTC
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Post by Don Sample
Post by deowll
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Post by deowll
It is really hard to judge distances using DWs maps but I've been
looking
at
one and thinking. I do that sometimes. ?;^)
Sidemore is about 5 days closer to the Gregor terminus of the junction,
than it is to Basilisk. Honor went by was of Basilisk in War of Honor,
because Gregor is in Andermani space, and she didn't want to annoy them
any more than they already were by passing her fleet through their space
(or let them have a good look at what she was bringing in.)
Post by deowll
I think you get to Sedimore from Basilisk station and it is one
heck
of a
long way from Mesa and the SL without using a wormhole; maybe a
year
one
way?
More like six months, and there might be wormholes available that will
cut the travel time down. Not much has been said about the Asgard
junction, and how it's aligned with the various other powers. If it
could be used by a fleet travelling from Mesa to Marsh, it would cut
about 20% off the distance, and there are other wormholes that we don't
know much about. A couple get mentioned in Torch of Freedom, some of
which Mesa has discovered and are keeping to themselves for now.
There are probably others that they could use, that haven't come up in
the story yet. Either that, or the Manticoran side of the Solarian
League has an awfully high density of wormhole termini, compared to the
rest of the explored universe.
Sedimore looks to be as remote as the Republic or more correctly Trever's
star on my star map and I still seem to recall that it takes a year to reach
the Republic without wormholes but that might well depend on which system
you are talking about even if true. You can't actually tell jack by looking
at the maps. Its five months to Manticore system from the world the Mesan
fleet was made on I assume without worm holes.
<http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/The_Honor_Harrington_
Universe.PNG> which assembles various bits of information from the
various maps in the books and other sources, and seems to accurately
reflect the published info.
Mesa is pretty much on the far side of the Solarian League from
Manticore. Sol to Manticore is about 500 light years. Mesa appears to
be about 700 ly from Manticore. (It's a bit over 600 ly to Talbott, and
over 200 from Talbott to Mesa, but they're not directly in line with
each other.)
Haven is a couple of hundred light years farther out from Sol, so call
it 700 ly from Sol too.
Top speed for warships in the highest reachable band of hyperspace is
3000 C, <http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/entry/Harrington/95/1>
which is about 8 ly/day. But ships can't stay in the highest band all
the time. Warships in hyper seem to do about 7 ly a day, based on
various transit times given over known distances, so 700 ly is 100 days,
or about 3 months. Mesa to Marsh is a bit farther, maybe 800 ly, so it
would take another couple of weeks.
How ever one of the Alignments new hulls about the size of a cruiser made a
trip in about 1/4 less time than normal so we can see the top speed number
changing at least for them.
You still can't really tell jack because they have moved things around to
fit on the map. Yeltson/Grayson aren't on the map and they are about a week
from Manticore. Masada is nada. I'm shocked the Andies didn't grab Marsh
when they had the chance. I'm sure they have a lot more systems than shown.
In fact I'm sort of wondering if Marsh isn't setting on one side of what is
now Andie space in a rather isolated location. I was also thinking that
Monca was very close to League controled space when it isn't even in the
Verge according to the map while Lynx was a lot more remote with most of the
other systems in Talbot being closer. If you believe the map it's the other
way around.
Yeltson and Endicot are on the map, numbers 30 and 20.
Sharon's Star and Posnon?
Post by Don Sample
Marsh was a nothing system, with no reason for anyone to ever visit it,
(Which is why Warneki chose to hide out there) before the Manties set up
Sidemore Station there. Once they had, The Andies couldn't take it with
With what?
Post by Don Sample
The Talbott cluster portion of the map matches up with the one in
_Shadow of Saganami_ when you take into account the fact that for some
reason the SoS map is rotated 90 degrees, with North to the left, and
South to the right.
Post by deowll
I found Congo and Erewhon. The Worm hole through Congo is clearly a fast
route from Mesan space all the way across the league to a location near
Havenite and Manticore space. The Alignment would have had to be freaking
_insane_ to not take advantage of a cash cow like that. In fact they seem to
have been hiding several wormholes rather than using them to make money.
They're not in it for the money. They plan to take over the universe.
Money is power. Money buys people or at least lets you rent them, planets
and warships. If you are planning to conquer the Galaxy you can't have to
much of it.
Post by Don Sample
Post by deowll
Without the worm hole I'd say Mesa was pretty much nuts to have tried to be
doing anything in Manticore space three hundred years back because of the
huge travel time other than plant sleepers and have them try and work
themselves up among the elite. There is no way to have more than the most
vague oversight when your people are months to years in journey time from
home. Spindle is by no means the nearest system to the Lynx wormhole. I
guess I knew that but the logical stopping place for supplies and a navel
yard/commercial yard is Lynx B because it is the nearest inhabited system
yet its been completely ignored in the last few books.
Am I actually seeing the Maya sector? This map need to be updated badly.
Maya is there, directly below Erewhon.
I was thinking it was but the map does not show which known systems are in
the Maya Sector. I think a prevous book download contains a map with it.
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2010-04-08 21:01:18 UTC
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Yeltson and Endicot are on the map, numbers 30 and 20.
Sharon's Star and Posnon?
The other 20 and 30. There are separate keys for the Silesian
Confederacy, and all the worlds clustered in between Manticore and Haven.
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2010-04-08 20:34:53 UTC
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It is really hard to judge distances using DWs maps but I've been
looking
at
one and thinking. I do that sometimes. ?;^)
Sidemore is about 5 days closer to the Gregor terminus of the junction,
than it is to Basilisk. Honor went by was of Basilisk in War of Honor,
because Gregor is in Andermani space, and she didn't want to annoy them
any more than they already were by passing her fleet through their space
(or let them have a good look at what she was bringing in.)
Post by deowll
I think you get to Sedimore from Basilisk station and it is one heck of a
long way from Mesa and the SL without using a wormhole; maybe a year one
way?
More like six months, and there might be wormholes available that will
cut the travel time down. Not much has been said about the Asgard
junction, and how it's aligned with the various other powers. If it
could be used by a fleet travelling from Mesa to Marsh, it would cut
about 20% off the distance, and there are other wormholes that we don't
know much about. A couple get mentioned in Torch of Freedom, some of
which Mesa has discovered and are keeping to themselves for now.
There are probably others that they could use, that haven't come up in
the story yet. Either that, or the Manticoran side of the Solarian
League has an awfully high density of wormhole termini, compared to the
rest of the explored universe.
Sedimore looks to be as remote as the Republic or more correctly Trever's
star on my star map and I still seem to recall that it takes a year to reach
the Republic without wormholes but that might well depend on which system
you are talking about even if true. You can't actually tell jack by looking
at the maps. Its five months to Manticore system from the world the Mesan
fleet was made on I assume without worm holes.
<http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/The_Honor_Harrington_
Universe.PNG> which assembles various bits of information from the
various maps in the books and other sources, and seems to accurately
reflect the published info.
Mesa is pretty much on the far side of the Solarian League from
Manticore. Sol to Manticore is about 500 light years. Mesa appears to
be about 700 ly from Manticore. (It's a bit over 600 ly to Talbott, and
over 200 from Talbott to Mesa, but they're not directly in line with
each other.)
Haven is a couple of hundred light years farther out from Sol, so call
it 700 ly from Sol too.
Top speed for warships in the highest reachable band of hyperspace is
3000 C, <http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/entry/Harrington/95/1>
which is about 8 ly/day. But ships can't stay in the highest band all
the time. Warships in hyper seem to do about 7 ly a day, based on
various transit times given over known distances, so 700 ly is 100 days,
or about 3 months. Mesa to Marsh is a bit farther, maybe 800 ly, so it
would take another couple of weeks.
How ever one of the Alignments new hulls about the size of a cruiser made a
trip in about 1/4 less time than normal so we can see the top speed number
changing at least for them.
You still can't really tell jack because they have moved things around to
fit on the map. Yeltson/Grayson aren't on the map and they are about a week
from Manticore. Masada is nada. I'm shocked the Andies didn't grab Marsh
when they had the chance. I'm sure they have a lot more systems than shown.
In fact I'm sort of wondering if Marsh isn't setting on one side of what is
now Andie space in a rather isolated location. I was also thinking that
Monca was very close to League controled space when it isn't even in the
Verge according to the map while Lynx was a lot more remote with most of the
other systems in Talbot being closer. If you believe the map it's the other
way around.
Yeltson and Endicot are on the map, numbers 30 and 20.
Marsh was a nothing system, with no reason for anyone to ever visit it,
(Which is why Warneki chose to hide out there) before the Manties set up
Sidemore Station there. Once they had, The Andies couldn't take it
without starting a war with Manticore, which they didn't want to do at
the tim.
Post by Don Sample
The Talbott cluster portion of the map matches up with the one in
_Shadow of Saganami_ when you take into account the fact that for some
reason the SoS map is rotated 90 degrees, with North to the left, and
South to the right.
This map also agrees pretty much with a less detailed one Weber
supplied:
<http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/images/strategic_map_as_of_Shadow.g
if>


One problem that pretty much all maps of the Honorverse share is that
they are flat, and since we're dealing with a spherical volume, that
makes them even more distorted than flat maps of the Earth are. I
wonder if Weber has a 3D model of his universe built anywhere.
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2010-04-08 23:07:46 UTC
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It is really hard to judge distances using DWs maps but I've been
looking
at
one and thinking. I do that sometimes. ?;^)
Sidemore is about 5 days closer to the Gregor terminus of the junction,
than it is to Basilisk. Honor went by was of Basilisk in War of Honor,
because Gregor is in Andermani space, and she didn't want to annoy them
any more than they already were by passing her fleet through their space
(or let them have a good look at what she was bringing in.)
Post by deowll
I think you get to Sedimore from Basilisk station and it is one
heck
of a
long way from Mesa and the SL without using a wormhole; maybe a
year
one
way?
More like six months, and there might be wormholes available that will
cut the travel time down. Not much has been said about the Asgard
junction, and how it's aligned with the various other powers. If it
could be used by a fleet travelling from Mesa to Marsh, it would cut
about 20% off the distance, and there are other wormholes that we don't
know much about. A couple get mentioned in Torch of Freedom, some of
which Mesa has discovered and are keeping to themselves for now.
There are probably others that they could use, that haven't come up in
the story yet. Either that, or the Manticoran side of the Solarian
League has an awfully high density of wormhole termini, compared
to
the
rest of the explored universe.
Sedimore looks to be as remote as the Republic or more correctly Trever's
star on my star map and I still seem to recall that it takes a year
to
reach
the Republic without wormholes but that might well depend on which system
you are talking about even if true. You can't actually tell jack by looking
at the maps. Its five months to Manticore system from the world the Mesan
fleet was made on I assume without worm holes.
<http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/The_Honor_Harrington_
Universe.PNG> which assembles various bits of information from the
various maps in the books and other sources, and seems to accurately
reflect the published info.
Mesa is pretty much on the far side of the Solarian League from
Manticore. Sol to Manticore is about 500 light years. Mesa appears to
be about 700 ly from Manticore. (It's a bit over 600 ly to Talbott, and
over 200 from Talbott to Mesa, but they're not directly in line with
each other.)
Haven is a couple of hundred light years farther out from Sol, so call
it 700 ly from Sol too.
Top speed for warships in the highest reachable band of hyperspace is
3000 C, <http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/entry/Harrington/95/1>
which is about 8 ly/day. But ships can't stay in the highest band all
the time. Warships in hyper seem to do about 7 ly a day, based on
various transit times given over known distances, so 700 ly is 100 days,
or about 3 months. Mesa to Marsh is a bit farther, maybe 800 ly, so it
would take another couple of weeks.
How ever one of the Alignments new hulls about the size of a cruiser made a
trip in about 1/4 less time than normal so we can see the top speed number
changing at least for them.
You still can't really tell jack because they have moved things around to
fit on the map. Yeltson/Grayson aren't on the map and they are about a week
from Manticore. Masada is nada. I'm shocked the Andies didn't grab Marsh
when they had the chance. I'm sure they have a lot more systems than shown.
In fact I'm sort of wondering if Marsh isn't setting on one side of what is
now Andie space in a rather isolated location. I was also thinking that
Monca was very close to League controled space when it isn't even in the
Verge according to the map while Lynx was a lot more remote with most
of
the
other systems in Talbot being closer. If you believe the map it's the other
way around.
Yeltson and Endicot are on the map, numbers 30 and 20.
Marsh was a nothing system, with no reason for anyone to ever visit it,
(Which is why Warneki chose to hide out there) before the Manties set up
Sidemore Station there. Once they had, The Andies couldn't take it
without starting a war with Manticore, which they didn't want to do at
the tim.
Post by Don Sample
The Talbott cluster portion of the map matches up with the one in
_Shadow of Saganami_ when you take into account the fact that for some
reason the SoS map is rotated 90 degrees, with North to the left, and
South to the right.
This map also agrees pretty much with a less detailed one Weber
<http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/images/strategic_map_as_of_Shadow.g
if>
One problem that pretty much all maps of the Honorverse share is that
they are flat, and since we're dealing with a spherical volume, that
makes them even more distorted than flat maps of the Earth are. I
wonder if Weber has a 3D model of his universe built anywhere.
I have that map.

About the 3D model, Maybe, maybe not. He's already messing around with a lot
of real numbers and people griping because not every thing adds up just
right. How many people do you think have to put up with computer geniuses,
real astronomers, weapons technicians, nuclear physicists and such
critiquing their work?


With nothing better in the offing I have ordered the Janes books on
Manticore and the Republic as well as their book on Silesia.
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2010-04-08 20:24:45 UTC
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How ever one of the Alignments new hulls about the size of a cruiser made a
trip in about 1/4 less time than normal so we can see the top speed number
changing at least for them.
The Mesan's new hyperdrive lets them get into the iota band, which has a
top speed of about 4000 C.
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deowll
2010-04-08 20:39:07 UTC
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Post by deowll
How ever one of the Alignments new hulls about the size of a cruiser made a
trip in about 1/4 less time than normal so we can see the top speed number
changing at least for them.
The Mesan's new hyperdrive lets them get into the iota band, which has a
top speed of about 4000 C.
What these people need is the abilty to create their own worm holes where
they need them but even if they could that might damage the universe I
suppose.
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