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What will Manticore do first
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deowll
2010-03-08 05:52:56 UTC
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Right now the first priority is getting missile production going and all the
high tech EW and FTL com that goes with it.

The question is which missile first? The most effective one?


What ships will they start building first? The easist would be LACs of some
sort and make/convert some merchant hulls to act as carriers. Of course LACs
can't use the more effective missiles can they? LACs might work well enough
for low risk locations. They aren't going to be much use running convoeys.
You are still going to _need_ some small fast ships around, DD or something,
to act as couriers because the HH universe doesn't have long range FTL
communictaions but this is hardly what I expect DW to do. I think he will
ignore the small stuff and go for producing something bigger.

It is obvious that some new tech is going to show up and Haven is going to
be making more advanced ship designs.

Are the Andies going to split?

I think that the Talbot _system_ is no longer part of the Alliance but has
yards that are now obsolete and mostly shut down according to a blurb? I'm
guessing DW is simply going to let that slide. Zanzabar has yards? Forget
it. The facts of his universe are getting in the way of his story line.

The manning issues for the old Sollie SD are just to extreme. Sell them if
you can or scrap them out. They have SLN normal drives and power plants. You
should be able to pick up parts or sell them to somebody to use in a
merchant ships or something. The beams should fetch something and maybe the
computers but who knows? There is clearly a lot of ships around that use SLN
normal missiles so you could sell them or put them in pods to use in mine
fields. They should work about as well for this as something the Star Empire
doesn't have in adequate supply.

The smaller ships you can justify sticking somewhere or selling or even
doing some modifications to. Faster drives to start with. You should be able
to get parts off the black market and after they catch the fleet heading for
Mantiocore they aren't going to run out of missiles for a while. The supply
trian could keep them spiffy and Salisia might be able to make or aquire off
the black market anything they need. Stick some longer range missile pods
on them and they'll be good to go for a few years and by then maybe you can
replace them. 99 to one DW doesn't do it. If you look at the situation long
enough some of it starts to feel contrived. That suggests I'm looking at
this to long.

I set out a row of onions yesterday and row of english peas today. If it
rains tomorrow they should really take off. Unfortunetly that is starting to
feel like more fun than this.
Terry FitzSimons
2010-03-10 16:37:06 UTC
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Post by deowll
Right now the first priority is getting missile production going and all the
high tech EW and FTL com that goes with it.
The question is which missile first? The most effective one?
What ships will they start building first? The easist would be LACs of some
sort and make/convert some merchant hulls to act as carriers. Of course LACs
can't use the more effective missiles can they? LACs might work well enough
for low risk locations. They aren't going to be much use running convoeys.
You are still going to _need_ some small fast ships around, DD or something,
to act as couriers because the HH universe doesn't have long range FTL
communictaions but this is hardly what I expect DW to do. I think he will
ignore the small stuff and go for producing something bigger.
I think you have a hard time remembering that Manticore like the bigger
ships. Their fleet scouts are the cruisers for short scouts and
battlecruiser's for extended scouting.
Post by deowll
It is obvious that some new tech is going to show up and Haven is going to
be making more advanced ship designs.
Haven may make the basic ships and the Manticore upgrade them is the most
likely answer.
Post by deowll
Are the Andies going to split?
No reason to.
Post by deowll
I think that the Talbot _system_ is no longer part of the Alliance but has
yards that are now obsolete and mostly shut down according to a blurb? I'm
guessing DW is simply going to let that slide. Zanzabar has yards? Forget
it. The facts of his universe are getting in the way of his story line.
What are you a Solly sympathizer?
Post by deowll
The manning issues for the old Sollie SD are just to extreme. Sell them if
you can or scrap them out. They have SLN normal drives and power plants. You
should be able to pick up parts or sell them to somebody to use in a
merchant ships or something. The beams should fetch something and maybe the
computers but who knows? There is clearly a lot of ships around that use SLN
normal missiles so you could sell them or put them in pods to use in mine
fields. They should work about as well for this as something the Star Empire
doesn't have in adequate supply.
The smaller ships you can justify sticking somewhere or selling or even
doing some modifications to. Faster drives to start with. You should be able
to get parts off the black market and after they catch the fleet heading for
Mantiocore they aren't going to run out of missiles for a while. The supply
trian could keep them spiffy and Salisia might be able to make or aquire off
the black market anything they need. Stick some longer range missile pods
on them and they'll be good to go for a few years and by then maybe you can
replace them. 99 to one DW doesn't do it. If you look at the situation long
enough some of it starts to feel contrived. That suggests I'm looking at
this to long.
I set out a row of onions yesterday and row of english peas today. If it
rains tomorrow they should really take off. Unfortunetly that is starting to
feel like more fun than this.
Good go tend your fields.
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deowll
2010-03-11 08:35:46 UTC
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Post by Terry FitzSimons
Post by deowll
Right now the first priority is getting missile production going and all the
high tech EW and FTL com that goes with it.
The question is which missile first? The most effective one?
What ships will they start building first? The easist would be LACs of some
sort and make/convert some merchant hulls to act as carriers. Of course LACs
can't use the more effective missiles can they? LACs might work well enough
for low risk locations. They aren't going to be much use running convoeys.
You are still going to _need_ some small fast ships around, DD or something,
to act as couriers because the HH universe doesn't have long range FTL
communictaions but this is hardly what I expect DW to do. I think he will
ignore the small stuff and go for producing something bigger.
I think you have a hard time remembering that Manticore like the bigger
ships. Their fleet scouts are the cruisers for short scouts and
battlecruiser's for extended scouting.
And I think you didn't read the last sentence that noted DW would almost
certainly go for the big stuff. They guy has an obsession.

By the way himself has a nice post from 2005 I think explaining why DD would
always be around and that LACs can't really fill the same role and strongly
supporting their importance and another going on about how LACs can do
certain things especially with carriers and they ought to be being shipped
to the front. I agree with what he said. He is in large degree going against
what he said. Please notice the difference that I made between what is most
likely reasonable given the circumstances described in the last few books
and what I expect DW to do. ?8^)

If the HH universe were real any Star Empire would absolutely have to have
fleets of small fast FTL ships to act as couriers and since you aren't
going to be out much more money you might as well make them DD and be done
with it.

DW isn't going to do that.
Post by Terry FitzSimons
Post by deowll
It is obvious that some new tech is going to show up and Haven is going to
be making more advanced ship designs.
Haven may make the basic ships and the Manticore upgrade them is the most
likely answer.
Post by deowll
Are the Andies going to split?
No reason to.
Really? The Andies became allies with Manticore in large part because they
got pissed because the Republic sent forces to Silisia to attack Manticore
forces. The Andies or rather their King doesn't like Republics and he may
not want to get into what could look like a no win war with the SLN.

DW actually brought up the question in his most recent book.
Post by Terry FitzSimons
Post by deowll
I think that the Talbot _system_ is no longer part of the Alliance but has
yards that are now obsolete and mostly shut down according to a blurb?
I'm
guessing DW is simply going to let that slide. Zanzabar has yards? Forget
it. The facts of his universe are getting in the way of his story line.
What are you a Solly sympathizer?
I'm a DW writes to a forumla because he claims to and he is increasing
tension by not doing some things which _might_ improve the situation. Not
doing much in the Talbot system and Zanzabar can be justified because the
yards would have to be defended. On the other hand upgrading existing yards
to make LACs and lesser ships is going to be easier than doing a from
scratch thing. I have no doubt that the yards in the Talbot system could
make carriers and merchant hulls without updating. It is also one of the
existing locations that the Manticore merchant fleet can find the yard space
needed to service it. On the other hand Tevor's star is a great location to
expand.
Post by Terry FitzSimons
Post by deowll
The manning issues for the old Sollie SD are just to extreme. Sell them if
you can or scrap them out. They have SLN normal drives and power plants. You
should be able to pick up parts or sell them to somebody to use in a
merchant ships or something. The beams should fetch something and maybe the
computers but who knows? There is clearly a lot of ships around that use SLN
normal missiles so you could sell them or put them in pods to use in mine
fields. They should work about as well for this as something the Star Empire
doesn't have in adequate supply.
The smaller ships you can justify sticking somewhere or selling or even
doing some modifications to. Faster drives to start with. You should be able
to get parts off the black market and after they catch the fleet heading for
Mantiocore they aren't going to run out of missiles for a while. The supply
trian could keep them spiffy and Salisia might be able to make or aquire off
the black market anything they need. Stick some longer range missile pods
on them and they'll be good to go for a few years and by then maybe you can
replace them. 99 to one DW doesn't do it. If you look at the situation long
enough some of it starts to feel contrived. That suggests I'm looking at
this to long.
I set out a row of onions yesterday and row of english peas today. If it
rains tomorrow they should really take off. Unfortunetly that is starting to
feel like more fun than this.
Good go tend your fields.
It's too wet.
Post by Terry FitzSimons
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Terry FitzSimons
joem256
2010-03-11 22:05:24 UTC
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Post by deowll
Post by Terry FitzSimons
Post by deowll
Right now the first priority is getting missile production going and all the
high tech EW and FTL com that goes with it.
The question is which missile first? The most effective one?
What ships will they start building first? The easist would be LACs of some
sort and make/convert some merchant hulls to act as carriers. Of course LACs
can't use the more effective missiles can they? LACs might work well enough
for low risk locations. They aren't going to be much use running convoeys.
You are still going to _need_ some small fast ships around, DD or something,
to act as couriers because the HH universe doesn't have long range FTL
communictaions but this is hardly what I expect DW to do. �I think he will
ignore the small stuff and go for producing something bigger.
I think you have a hard time remembering that Manticore like the bigger
ships. �Their fleet scouts are the cruisers for short scouts and
battlecruiser's for extended scouting.
And I think you didn't read the last sentence that noted DW would almost
certainly go for the big stuff. They guy has an obsession.
By the way himself has a nice post from 2005 I think explaining why DD would
always be around and that LACs can't really fill �the same role and strongly
supporting their importance and another going on about how LACs can do
certain things especially with carriers and they ought to be being shipped
to the front. I agree with what he said. He is in large degree going against
what he said. Please notice the difference that I made between what is most
likely reasonable given the circumstances described in the last few books
and what I expect DW to do. �?8^)
If the HH universe were real any Star Empire would absolutely have to have
fleets of small fast FTL �ships to act as couriers and since you �aren't
going to be out much more money you might as well make them DD and be done
with it.
DW isn't going to do that.
Post by Terry FitzSimons
Post by deowll
It is obvious that some new tech is going to show up and Haven is going to
be making more advanced ship designs.
Haven may make the basic ships and the Manticore upgrade them is the most
likely answer.
Post by deowll
Are the Andies going to split?
No reason to.
Really? The Andies became allies with Manticore in large part because they
got pissed because the Republic sent forces to Silisia to attack �Manticore
forces. The Andies or rather their King doesn't like Republics and he may
not want to get into what could look �like a no win war with the SLN.
DW actually brought up the question in his most recent book.
Post by Terry FitzSimons
Post by deowll
I think that the Talbot _system_ is no longer part of the Alliance but has
yards that are now obsolete and mostly shut down according to a blurb?
I'm
guessing DW is simply going to let that slide. Zanzabar has yards? Forget
it. The facts of his universe are getting in the way of his story line.
What are you a Solly sympathizer?
I'm a DW writes to a forumla because he claims to and he is increasing
tension by not doing some things which _might_ improve the situation. Not
doing much in the Talbot system �and Zanzabar can be justified because the
yards would have to be defended. On the other hand upgrading existing yards
to make LACs and lesser ships is going to be easier than doing a from
scratch thing. I have no doubt that the yards in the Talbot system could
make carriers and merchant hulls without updating. It is also one of the
existing locations that the Manticore merchant fleet can find the yard space
needed to service it. �On the other hand Tevor's star is a great location to
expand.
Post by Terry FitzSimons
Post by deowll
The manning issues for the old Sollie SD are just to extreme. Sell them if
you can or scrap them out. They have SLN normal drives and power plants. You
should be able to pick up parts or sell them to somebody to use in a
merchant ships or something. The beams should fetch something and maybe the
computers but who knows? There is clearly a lot of ships around that use SLN
normal missiles so you could sell them or put them in pods to use in mine
fields. They should work about as well for this as something the Star Empire
doesn't have in adequate supply.
The smaller ships you can justify sticking somewhere or selling or even
doing some modifications to. Faster drives to start with. You should be able
to get parts off the black market and after they catch the fleet heading for
Mantiocore they aren't going to run out of missiles for a while. The supply
trian could keep them spiffy and Salisia might be able to make or aquire off
the black market anything they need. Stick some longer range missile �pods
on them and they'll be good to go for a few years and by then maybe you can
replace them. �99 to one DW doesn't do it. If you look at the situation
long
enough some of it starts to feel contrived. That suggests I'm looking at
this to long.
I set out a row of onions yesterday and row of english peas today. If it
rains tomorrow they should really take off. Unfortunetly that is starting to
feel like more fun than this.
Good go tend your fields.
It's too wet.
Post by Terry FitzSimons
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As far as small ships go, remember, the ships that the Manties are
calling DDs, everyone else pretty much calls CLs.
deowll
2010-03-12 05:34:09 UTC
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Post by deowll
Post by Terry FitzSimons
Post by deowll
Right now the first priority is getting missile production going and all the
high tech EW and FTL com that goes with it.
The question is which missile first? The most effective one?
What ships will they start building first? The easist would be LACs of some
sort and make/convert some merchant hulls to act as carriers. Of course LACs
can't use the more effective missiles can they? LACs might work well enough
for low risk locations. They aren't going to be much use running convoeys.
You are still going to _need_ some small fast ships around, DD or something,
to act as couriers because the HH universe doesn't have long range FTL
communictaions but this is hardly what I expect DW to do. �I think he will
ignore the small stuff and go for producing something bigger.
I think you have a hard time remembering that Manticore like the bigger
ships. �Their fleet scouts are the cruisers for short scouts and
battlecruiser's for extended scouting.
And I think you didn't read the last sentence that noted DW would almost
certainly go for the big stuff. They guy has an obsession.
By the way himself has a nice post from 2005 I think explaining why DD would
always be around and that LACs can't really fill �the same role and strongly
supporting their importance and another going on about how LACs can do
certain things especially with carriers and they ought to be being shipped
to the front. I agree with what he said. He is in large degree going against
what he said. Please notice the difference that I made between what is most
likely reasonable given the circumstances described in the last few books
and what I expect DW to do. �?8^)
If the HH universe were real any Star Empire would absolutely have to have
fleets of small fast FTL �ships to act as couriers and since you �aren't
going to be out much more money you might as well make them DD and be done
with it.
DW isn't going to do that.
Post by Terry FitzSimons
Post by deowll
It is obvious that some new tech is going to show up and Haven is going to
be making more advanced ship designs.
Haven may make the basic ships and the Manticore upgrade them is the most
likely answer.
Post by deowll
Are the Andies going to split?
No reason to.
Really? The Andies became allies with Manticore in large part because they
got pissed because the Republic sent forces to Silisia to attack �Manticore
forces. The Andies or rather their King doesn't like Republics and he may
not want to get into what could look �like a no win war with the SLN.
DW actually brought up the question in his most recent book.
Post by Terry FitzSimons
Post by deowll
I think that the Talbot _system_ is no longer part of the Alliance but has
yards that are now obsolete and mostly shut down according to a blurb?
I'm
guessing DW is simply going to let that slide. Zanzabar has yards? Forget
it. The facts of his universe are getting in the way of his story line.
What are you a Solly sympathizer?
I'm a DW writes to a forumla because he claims to and he is increasing
tension by not doing some things which _might_ improve the situation. Not
doing much in the Talbot system �and Zanzabar can be justified because the
yards would have to be defended. On the other hand upgrading existing yards
to make LACs and lesser ships is going to be easier than doing a from
scratch thing. I have no doubt that the yards in the Talbot system could
make carriers and merchant hulls without updating. It is also one of the
existing locations that the Manticore merchant fleet can find the yard space
needed to service it. �On the other hand Tevor's star is a great location to
expand.
Post by Terry FitzSimons
Post by deowll
The manning issues for the old Sollie SD are just to extreme. Sell them if
you can or scrap them out. They have SLN normal drives and power plants. You
should be able to pick up parts or sell them to somebody to use in a
merchant ships or something. The beams should fetch something and maybe the
computers but who knows? There is clearly a lot of ships around that use SLN
normal missiles so you could sell them or put them in pods to use in mine
fields. They should work about as well for this as something the Star Empire
doesn't have in adequate supply.
The smaller ships you can justify sticking somewhere or selling or even
doing some modifications to. Faster drives to start with. You should be able
to get parts off the black market and after they catch the fleet heading for
Mantiocore they aren't going to run out of missiles for a while. The supply
trian could keep them spiffy and Salisia might be able to make or aquire off
the black market anything they need. Stick some longer range missile �pods
on them and they'll be good to go for a few years and by then maybe you can
replace them. �99 to one DW doesn't do it. If you look at the situation
long
enough some of it starts to feel contrived. That suggests I'm looking at
this to long.
I set out a row of onions yesterday and row of english peas today. If it
rains tomorrow they should really take off. Unfortunetly that is
starting
to
feel like more fun than this.
Good go tend your fields.
It's too wet.
Post by Terry FitzSimons
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As far as small ships go, remember, the ships that the Manties are
calling DDs, everyone else pretty much calls CLs.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

All right. You have a point. However I'm basically reacting to a blurb by DW
who of course speaks for Manticore. The blurb said DD are vital then a few
books later almost all DD are in storage because they can't be manned
because everyone not a citizen is a idiot or a spy.

I don't think the size of the DD makes all that much difference in a way
though if you want speed smaller is better. If you want fire power bigger is
better. If you want toughness the price goes up. Though DW didn't make a
point of it I see courier service as vital. Without it you simply aren't
going to be in touch with what is going on. Important news will be learned
days or weeks later than it would with the courier service. The escort
service, recon, and deterrent service are all vital. Doing without is a true
desperation move. The ships that would be needed to get the basic job done
would not require the best uber tech and in my view could be built in second
tier ship yards. The drives/nodes should be military grade and the sensors
need to be good. These might need to be imported. I think the computer
programs are more important than the computers being uber computers using
the latest super tech. You could even get by with strapped on flat pack
pods, no armor, no internal missiles, and one power plant. Strap on pods
are pretty easy to up date.

Sure if DW has a DD being used by Manticore he's going to want a super DD
which in this case is lame when that amounts to having no DD. A real Star
Empire would cobble together something to fill the hole and scrap them as
soon as peace broke out or they could get better hardware. You don't just
leave your rump exposed and your pants at half mast which is what this
amounts to.

That being said DW is still the best SF author I know about.
Doug Jones
2010-03-12 05:53:59 UTC
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Post by joem256
Post by deowll
Post by Terry FitzSimons
Post by deowll
Right now the first priority is getting missile production going and all the
high tech EW and FTL com that goes with it.
The question is which missile first? The most effective one?
What ships will they start building first? The easist would be LACs of some
sort and make/convert some merchant hulls to act as carriers. Of course LACs
can't use the more effective missiles can they? LACs might work well enough
for low risk locations. They aren't going to be much use running convoeys.
You are still going to _need_ some small fast ships around, DD or something,
to act as couriers because the HH universe doesn't have long range FTL
communictaions but this is hardly what I expect DW to do. ?I think he
will
ignore the small stuff and go for producing something bigger.
I think you have a hard time remembering that Manticore like the bigger
ships. ?Their fleet scouts are the cruisers for short scouts and
battlecruiser's for extended scouting.
And I think you didn't read the last sentence that noted DW would almost
certainly go for the big stuff. They guy has an obsession.
By the way himself has a nice post from 2005 I think explaining why DD would
always be around and that LACs can't really fill ?the same role and
strongly
supporting their importance and another going on about how LACs can do
certain things especially with carriers and they ought to be being shipped
to the front. I agree with what he said. He is in large degree going against
what he said. Please notice the difference that I made between what is most
likely reasonable given the circumstances described in the last few books
and what I expect DW to do. ??8^)
If the HH universe were real any Star Empire would absolutely have to have
fleets of small fast FTL ?ships to act as couriers and since you ?aren't
going to be out much more money you might as well make them DD and be done
with it.
DW isn't going to do that.
Post by Terry FitzSimons
Post by deowll
It is obvious that some new tech is going to show up and Haven is going to
be making more advanced ship designs.
Haven may make the basic ships and the Manticore upgrade them is the most
likely answer.
Post by deowll
Are the Andies going to split?
No reason to.
Really? The Andies became allies with Manticore in large part because they
got pissed because the Republic sent forces to Silisia to attack
?Manticore
forces. The Andies or rather their King doesn't like Republics and he may
not want to get into what could look ?like a no win war with the SLN.
DW actually brought up the question in his most recent book.
Post by Terry FitzSimons
Post by deowll
I think that the Talbot _system_ is no longer part of the Alliance but has
yards that are now obsolete and mostly shut down according to a blurb?
I'm
guessing DW is simply going to let that slide. Zanzabar has yards? Forget
it. The facts of his universe are getting in the way of his story line.
What are you a Solly sympathizer?
I'm a DW writes to a forumla because he claims to and he is increasing
tension by not doing some things which _might_ improve the situation. Not
doing much in the Talbot system ?and Zanzabar can be justified because the
yards would have to be defended. On the other hand upgrading existing yards
to make LACs and lesser ships is going to be easier than doing a from
scratch thing. I have no doubt that the yards in the Talbot system could
make carriers and merchant hulls without updating. It is also one of the
existing locations that the Manticore merchant fleet can find the yard space
needed to service it. ?On the other hand Tevor's star is a great location
to
expand.
Post by Terry FitzSimons
Post by deowll
The manning issues for the old Sollie SD are just to extreme. Sell them if
you can or scrap them out. They have SLN normal drives and power plants. You
should be able to pick up parts or sell them to somebody to use in a
merchant ships or something. The beams should fetch something and maybe the
computers but who knows? There is clearly a lot of ships around that use SLN
normal missiles so you could sell them or put them in pods to use in mine
fields. They should work about as well for this as something the Star Empire
doesn't have in adequate supply.
The smaller ships you can justify sticking somewhere or selling or even
doing some modifications to. Faster drives to start with. You should be able
to get parts off the black market and after they catch the fleet heading for
Mantiocore they aren't going to run out of missiles for a while. The supply
trian could keep them spiffy and Salisia might be able to make or aquire off
the black market anything they need. Stick some longer range missile
?pods
on them and they'll be good to go for a few years and by then maybe you can
replace them. ?99 to one DW doesn't do it. If you look at the situation
long
enough some of it starts to feel contrived. That suggests I'm looking at
this to long.
I set out a row of onions yesterday and row of english peas today. If it
rains tomorrow they should really take off. Unfortunetly that is
starting
to
feel like more fun than this.
Good go tend your fields.
It's too wet.
Post by Terry FitzSimons
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As far as small ships go, remember, the ships that the Manties are
calling DDs, everyone else pretty much calls CLs.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
All right. You have a point. However I'm basically reacting to a blurb by DW
who of course speaks for Manticore. The blurb said DD are vital then a few
books later almost all DD are in storage because they can't be manned
because everyone not a citizen is a idiot or a spy.
I don't think the size of the DD makes all that much difference in a way
though if you want speed smaller is better. If you want fire power bigger is
better. If you want toughness the price goes up. Though DW didn't make a
point of it I see courier service as vital. Without it you simply aren't
going to be in touch with what is going on. Important news will be learned
days or weeks later than it would with the courier service. The escort
service, recon, and deterrent service are all vital. Doing without is a true
desperation move. The ships that would be needed to get the basic job done
would not require the best uber tech and in my view could be built in second
tier ship yards. The drives/nodes should be military grade and the sensors
need to be good. These might need to be imported. I think the computer
programs are more important than the computers being uber computers using
the latest super tech. You could even get by with strapped on flat pack
pods, no armor, no internal missiles, and one power plant. Strap on pods
are pretty easy to up date.
Sure if DW has a DD being used by Manticore he's going to want a super DD
which in this case is lame when that amounts to having no DD. A real Star
Empire would cobble together something to fill the hole and scrap them as
soon as peace broke out or they could get better hardware. You don't just
leave your rump exposed and your pants at half mast which is what this
amounts to.
That being said DW is still the best SF author I know about.
Agreed - I think that if the idea of leaving those ships in storage a
"plot hole" in terms of what you'd want. As I said elsewhere, even if
they're "one back" in terms of technology, they're still pretty far
advanced in overall terms. They're perfect for reserve/system defense
forces in Talbot, where the crew numbers needed are actually a bonus,
in terms of helping create a cadre of trained spacers, and integrating
the system forces into the RMN system. It's a common feature of all
reserve forces to have the previous generation of weapons systems,
while the active forces get the newest toys.

At the same time, they'd perform important functions by acting as
system defense, anti-piracy patrols, convoy escorts, and scouts,
freeing the advanced ships to do other tasks. They'd make the Talbot
Quadrant a very unhealthy place for pirates. As new ships become
available, particularly with the lower manning requirements, you'd
have the equivalent of several trained crews available for them, just
from one of the older DD's.

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